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Originally Posted by onlyoneplanet
Insurgents-- and they are just that. A guerilla resistance against the American occupation of their homeland. They don't wish to 'impose their views on the world', where did you get that load of bullshit from? FOX News? They're only wish is for the destructive American force to leave and you're making them out to be some sort of Nazi death squad.
Look at you bashing socialism like you think capitalism is actually healthy; look at America! Take your eyes of the glorious, amazing flag for a moment and just see what's happening in the world of the working class and in the world of every family who's just lost a loved one to an American bomb or bullet, and even in the natural world.
| Really I didn't know that Iraq was the homeland of an Iranian, Egyptian and Syrian. The so-called insurgents are sure a melting pot of people. But then of course they are all muslim and middleeastern. Al Qaeda has made clear that it is waging a war against the west. The WTC in 1993, the USS Cole, Khobar Towers, the US embassies, and September 11th.
What has socialism ever really brought. The far-fetched notion that its the workers who give value to labor. To look at capitalism, we cannot really look at America. True capitalism has never been practiced here. We have a mixed economy. All the evils that have been prescribed to capitalism in this country, if you look closely, you will see that they arose from government intervention. We demonize business and capitalism, but through its limited use we have seen the standard of living of all rise. The difference between 1st world countries, and 2nd and 3rd world countries is capitalism. Freedom arises from the right to own property. Ford, Rockefellar,Vanderbilt, Carnegie, and even today Bill Gates have made the world a better place. They have provided means for us all to be healthier, happier, and more efficient. The workers may be the ones who make the products, but is the owners who risk capital to start the process. Without the idea, and the means of production, the worker can do nothing. In academics, athletics and the arts we applaud those who are outstanding. We celebrate those who are best at what they do, in every endeavor except business. Business and more importantly capitalism has been demonized long enough, for without them, where would this nation be. So yes, lets look at America. Its not perfect, but I don't see too many countries in which other people are literally dying to get into, do you???
dmk | So what hard evidence do you have of Syrian and Iranian involvement with the insurgency? If you do have that evidence, then can you tell me how much of the insurgency is made up of Syrians, Iranians, and Egyptians? I can gartuntee you that the vast majority of the resistance is made up of Iraqis, but I don't doubt that foreign volunteers have joined them.
What does Al-Qaeda have to do with the Iraqi insurgency? Last I checked, those were two separate issues. The Iraqi resistance is made up of people who want independance, not people holding a life-long grudge against America.
American capitalism doesn't just celebrate those who're good at what they do, it worships them by smothering them in capital. What good is that for the workers? A growing business doesn't raise wages and offer benefits, a growing business hires more workers. Bussinessmen who're good at what they do are only that good because they'll push compassion and humanitarianism aside to expand their businesses, and still the people remain their loyal syncophants. Who cares if they risk capital to start the process, is that something to be honored? They can plant a garden, they can provide mutual aid, they can be open and friendly with their community instead of trying to protect their week's wages from decent people. Banks are complication, taxes are complication, checks and credit cards are complication, and life is so simple. Look at America, look at how lazily complacent we've become. Look at the cars we drive and the food we eat, look at the houses we live in, it's ridiculous.
What makes all of this possible? Exploitation and oppression. \"Are we justified in using articles, no matter how convenient it may be for us to use them, that we know were produced in conditions which bored and even stultified the human beings who had to make them?\"
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