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"What statistics would those be?" f6
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Criminal Justice (DOJ) statistics.
When N.Y. Senator Alphonse (Senator pothole) D'Amato was in office, he got the CRS to do some of my research for me.
At that time (15 years ago?) the demographic race bias in the U.S. CJ system was flagrantly obvious.
It wasn't differences of 0.0002% or some statistically insignificant variation.
It was, and I believe still is; vividly obvious systemic racial bias
against dark skinned persons in the U.S.
Thus, expressions such as "driving while Black".
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"With that said, I think a lot of that IS in the past. And it's hopefully time to move past the historical scars and move forward." f6
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I'm sympathetic to this perspective.
Problem is, the reasons used to justify affirmative action in the first place, though substantially diminished, still prevail.
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"I DO NOT think it is inherent to being black." f6
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I absolutely do not also!
Instead, the racial bias which causes these statistically verifiable trends seem to be systemic.
Not a function of the way Blacks act.
The way Blacks are treated in the criminal justice system; at trial, at sentencing, etc.
I'm NOT asserting Blacks are inferior.
I'm indicating statistics indicate Blacks are treated as inferior; in some cases.
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"Sear, I asked for your PERSONAL description of what you believed the NAACP ment when using the term 'Colored People' as their group's decision." AP
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Oh.
If I had understood that, I would not have answered.
In the context of this thread, I believe that degree of subjectivity is both irrelevant and counterproductive.
When it comes to defining terms, I use the dictionary.
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NAACP or N.A.A.C.P. abbreviation
National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. *
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"So far, we know you see the word 'caucasian' as being a race descriptor. How does your personal feeling there apply to the term of 'colored people' then." AP
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Linguistically, same thing.
BUT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That does not mean the NAACP, and a "Caucasian" rights group are on exactly equal moral footing.
Why not?!?!?
Because, if Blacks and Whites were historically in roughly equal numbers, with equal injustices perpetrated against them, then I'd say:
Good.
Let's go with equality then.
But it has NEVER been that way.
It wasn't primarily Whites that were found hanging from trees, by the neck, lynched to death.
It was Blacks.
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"Secondly, your bringing up the numbers of population, crime, imprisonment, etc isn't addressing what most here are talking about.
We're talking about people being discriminated against, simply by their skin color. We're talking about how it's wrong to discriminate against one group (any minority, non-caucasian races), but yet is being allowed to happen towards another group (specifically caucasian races)." AP
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We could try to qualify it, by citing anecdotes about how Black persons are more persistently disrespected in public than Whites.
But that's foolish.
What's appropriate here is objective QUANTIFICATION.
Thus the statistics I've referred to.
I invite anyone here to post stats. on racial comparisons; Black compared to White.
They can be stats on Criminal Justice.
They can be on wage disparity.
They can be on unemployment per capita.
Whatever you like.
You don't have to take my word for it.
I'm not asking anyone to do so.
I'm suggesting that YOU do the research.
YOU gather the statistics, from whatever source YOU think is appropriate.
And when you do, I'm confident you will find what I have found.
Blacks are discriminated against. And they are not yet receiving equal treatment in the U.S.
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"... we're condoning the discrimination against non-minority groups instead." AP
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Yes AP.
"Affirmative Action". I've been banging that gong in this thread since I got here.
* Excerpted from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition © 1996 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from INSO Corporation; further reproduction and distribution in accordance with the Copyright Law of the United States. All rights reserved.