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Originally Posted by dabateman We will agree to disagree on the standing army. This isn't a thread about the army so I'm not going to hijack to that point. | But the fact that the standing army uses up such a large amount of funding, it's a large reason why we have taxes in the first place. I believe it's highly relevant.
And I don't see how you disagree that the founders were against standing armies. I thought this was well-known. The founders had a great antipathy toward a large military, especially at peace time.
"The spirit of this country is totally adverse to a large military force." --Thomas Jefferson Quote: |
As far as tax goes, even if we were supporting more social/humanitarian causes people will find the tax unfair. The 'rich' never pay enough. That argument is tired. The rich aren't taxed at a higher rate because it's fair, they are taxed at a higher rate because it's practical. Anytime you are taking money out of peoples pockets and putting into programs they don't utilize, they are going to become frustrated. They don't see a return on their investment. This is still a capitalistic society despite our best efforts.
| This argument, also, is tired. Even if one were to completely disregard people's obligations toward society, the common man, and the betterment thereof, which you obviously are, you're still ignoring the fact that rich people owe something to society for giving them the opportunity to be rich. For example, someone with great business skills wouldn't be able to utilize them growing up in say, many places in Africa, were the education and business infrastructures conducive to such a career are in many cases non-existent. However, with a good education system, and good infrastructure and health of the people in that context, someone can grow up to be a businessman/woman and utilize those skills. It's only "fair" for rich people to give back to such a society conducive to their existence and wealth.
So, just because the very rich wouldn't necessarily always see a direct return as opposed to someone poor in such domestic programs, doesn't mean that it's 'unfair' for them to have the heaviest "burden" (if you want to call it that). "If you want to achieve peace of mind and happiness, then have faith; if you want to be a disciple of truth, then search" -- Friedrich Nietzsche
Economic Left/Right: -9.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.72 |