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Old 08-09-2007, 11:46 AM   #7 (permalink)
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No doubt about that. However there is a marked difference. The US very clearly positions itself as the global policeman and as the bastion of democracy and human rights.

When you insist you are in charge, then you are incharge and responsible for EVERYTHING. Mind you, nobody told the US to be the boss of everybody. But since this role was very willingly taken up by the US when it went unilaterally into Iraq, is it little wonder that the world community demands they take responsibility for the good as well as bad?

That said, you are absolutely right that responsiblity lies with indigenous factions also. HOWEVER, they are summarily dismissed by the US. In not speaking to DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED GOVERNMENT in Palestine, In not talking to Iran, In refusing to acknowledge the popular support of Hamas and Hezbollah, the US dismisses the opinions of those that do not agree with them.

But IRAQ.. well that is ALL USA. What revenge are the Iraqi people entitled to? Does 9/11 justify the deaths over half a million civilians in Iraq? The war was/is unjust and it is the source of greater danger, desparation and destruction than 100 Saddams could have been. YOur nation has been unable to let go of the 3000 innocent civilians of 9/11. Can you really expect that Iraq should let go of the 500,000 + deaths the US has caused? Are they not entitled by the same logic the US has employed to go after Bush, Cheney and RUmsfeld?

What about Palestine. SHould the palestinians not blame the US for its unwavering support of Israel? For its refusal to censure Israeli breaches of UN conventions ( that continue to this day). FOr its refusal to accept the result of the most free and fair elections the middle east has ever seen? FOr its refusal to stop Israel from breaching palestinian sovereignty, blockading Gaza and killing the already shattered economy?

The US, on account of being the most powerful nation in the world, on account of its insistence on policing the world, on account of its refusal to bow to any international organizations, on account of its unilateral actions that have destroyed whole countries is most certainly to blame.

Look i think perhaps i am getting a bit heated here. I never ever believe violence will solve anything. However on the cosmic scale of things, the US has to experience the same level of death and destruction it has caused the world over ( no organization, party or nation is responsible for the level of destruction the US is ) before anybody will think of the US as the "victim".. that is except for the US itself that always seems to be the victim of evil actions whereas everybody else "deserved" it or were "acceptable losses" or "collateral damage" in the glorious fight for "freedom".

more than half a million people are dead because of the lies about Iraq.. It's gonna take a LOT to clean up after disasters of this administration.
Ummm...so when exactly did the US insist that it is in charge of the world?

The idea of the US being the world's so-called "superpower" is, in reality, just a concept. So, putting the blame on the US for the world's problems is really just a convenient scapegoat for anyone who wishes to dismiss or excuse actions by other countries or groups of people.

Regarding Hamas, it's kind of hard to take such a group seriously as a force of reason when their admitted goal is the outright destruction of Israel. They might be popular, but so was the idea of slavery many years ago. And, shouldn't Hamas be responsible for bringing weapons into the Gaza Strip which would most likely be used against Israel? And, what has Hamas actually contributed to the peace process between Israelis and the Palestinians?

Regarding Iraq, how exactly is the US responsible for Sunni and Shia and Al Qaeda extremists who wish to kill each other...and actively do just that? I mean, short of locking the entire populace of Iraq in a prison, how can the US stop their actions? In essence, why should the US be responsible for actions that is out of its control?

And, regarding so-called "victims," whether real or imaginary, people's in the Middle East tend to know how the use their "victim card" rather well. Why do you think only a few countries have ever offered Palestinian refugees citizenship and land outside the Israeli/Palestinian area? But no, Israel got to go...even though there once was a potential "two-state" solution before Israel was created back in the 1940's. So, of course they are the victims, since Israel won't just disappear.

I'm sorry, but I still think your position is rather one-sided. And, the violence that you may so readily turn a blind eye to regarding potential attacks in the West is just as bad as US troops outright killing unarmed citizens of Iraq.