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Old 08-15-2007, 11:01 AM   #47 (permalink)
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In terms of theory I am 'agnostic' in this sense also. But I am also atheist. I don't see how that is so offensive. I don't believe in theism (or the theory of god existing), and I am not ashamed of it, and I don't see why you should be either.

I don't believe in theism but neither do I completely discount the possibility that there is a god or gods.

I am not ashamed of this and I don't see how you got the impression that I am.

I believe that I don't know, you don't know and the Pope and Billy Graham don't know. That is what I believe and I wear the label Agnostic proudly.

I also do not feel any need to relable myself to please anyone else.

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When I was a Christian I didn't go around saying "I'm not a Christian but I am a Lutheran" simply to disassociate myself from the fundamentalists. I don't see why someone who does not believe in God should do something like that. When I say I am an 'atheist' to someone, I couldn't really give a crap about what they think about that or if that 'offends' them somehow. Because it is what I believe (or don't believe, rather) and I see no sense in being ashamed of it.

Saying atheism is a positive like theism is like saying bald is a hair color.

You seem to be under the impression that Agnostic is somehow less offensive than Atheist to Theists. Let me assure you that, after 30+ years of Agnosticism, I have not found this to be the case.

And, yes, Atheism is a positive, at least as it is used in the popular vernacular.

I think that your insistance on the idea that shame somehow plays into this serves to illustrate why insisting that Agnostics are really Atheists is offensive. The implication is that somehow we are less sure of ourselves and/or unwilling to stand up for what we do believe.

Nothing could be further than the truth. We not only have to stand in the face of theists but we are also regularly assaulted from the other side.

Yes, I wish to disassociate myself from Atheists. Just as a religious Jew or a Christian does not identify himself as a follower of the Judeo Christian Religion but as Jewish or Christian. That is to say, yes we have a commonality of beliefs, but it goes this far and no further.

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