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Old 08-15-2007, 01:17 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by CrazyFlamingos View Post
I am going to make this short and to the point.

My sense is that the heat in this thread is originating with you because of your insistance that Agnostics must admit that they are really Atheists.
I am merely saying that to not believe in god is to be atheist. That's not hostile at all. I'm not the one calling people liars, etc.

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That is offensive because you are insisting on your right to define me.
You defined yourself when you said you don't believe in God, sir.

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I don't care what you call yourself.

But I refuse to defer to your definitions when my understanding and experience lead me to a different conclusion.
They're not my definitions. But I don't see any problem in you leading yourself to your own conclusions and truths. I think we need more of that in the world.

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Originally Posted by Hevusa
I can find no dictionary that leads me to believe this is true.
Every dictionary from dictionary.com when you queue up "Atheism" has a definition pertaining to the effect of "a lack of belief in the existence of God or gods" (WordNet) along side the belief of "there is no god". Not all atheists subscribe to the latter.

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Originally Posted by hevusa
An agnostic is certainly NOT an atheist, that is why we need the agnostic label in the first place. Atheists claim that there is no possibility of a deity, agnostics do not. There is no way these radically different points of view can share the same name.
I'm just wondering if you even paid attention. Sear also explained it.

Agnosticism deals with knowledge, while atheism deals with belief.

I consider myself an atheist because I do not believe in God. But I am also agnostic because I don't know if there is a god or not.

'Atheism' doesn't automatically connote 'strong atheist', just as "Christian" doesn't automatically connote evangelist. What you're doing is you're basing assumptions on an entire group of people according to the beliefs and actions of a few.
"If you want to achieve peace of mind and happiness, then have faith; if you want to be a disciple of truth, then search" -- Friedrich Nietzsche

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