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Yeah.. at a rate of about 1 for every 1,000 that men wage.
Again, the primary cause of war is testesterone, and the way men go about solving conficts and problems. That's HONEST.
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That rate isn't reflective of testosterone and wars but because women have primarily been excluded from positions of power. And when women
were in power, history shows us that there's really no substantial difference in terms of aggression or the capability thereof. What you're saying isn't honest, it's sexist.
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Which is pretty much EXACTLY what I told you. Relgion has been MIS-used and MIS-represented by those in power to whip up the masses. And lest we forget, it was the peaceful interaction between Christian monks and Muslim scholars that helped fuel the age of enlightnenment in Europe. While military forces were out pounding one another over the head, the scholars were sharing knowledge that led to great advances in Europe. Gee, imagine that religious UNITY helping to re-invigorate a society.
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Yeah, in many cases religion has been used as a dividing factor among men. People reach those divisions through focusing on their differences in religions, also. Such a dividing factor in human history can't be a factor of unity in the future. Maybe to some moderates, but inevitably putting religion in the focus merely puts our differences in the focus. We can never unite under our differences.
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Because humans cling to outward symbols instead of inward, spritual meanings. They latch on to ceremony and tradition without really questioning it.
Literalism -- the flaw that trips up both fundamentalists and extreme cynics like youself.
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This seems pretty naive to me. You seem to believe that under the surface of symbols there's a distinct commonality of spiritual meaning among all religions. This is false. Most religions differ widely in their spiritual interpretations of reality.
Really the only common hood I see pervading most religions is the parallelism behind the creation of their primary 'saviors' based off of astrology (the story of Jesus, Horus, Attis, Krishna, etc. all are concoctions of primarily the same astrological events). But even such literary parallelism doesn't mean spiritual interpretations are the same.
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We're getting to the point where we pretty much don't have a choice. We have to learn to get along, or face our own destruction.
THAT'S harsh reality, and certianly not "soft and flowery."
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I totally agree. But we will never unite around what divides us (differences in religion). The idea that humans will unite around the supernatural and the invisible rather than the real and causes of humanity,
that is what is a soft and flowery pipe dream.
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And I can explain all that, if you wish. But, apparenlty you're not interested in learning anything new.
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How kind of you to assume. If you can describe this obvious difference in spiritual interpretation among Christians and yourself, and then describe how we can somehow at the same time unite with this spirituality as the primary factor of 'commonality', please go ahead. I would be very interested.
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Well, even "eternal damnation" is primarily symbolic. As far as the death and stoning and such, the world was a much rougher place back then. The religious laws of the time reflected that.
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Eternal damnation isn't symbolic. And even if it originally was meant to be, it certainly isn't today under the current Christian interpretations of scripture. I think you're confusing hell with eternal damnation. I think you have an argument that
hell could be symbolic, but there is always the threat of eternal damnation; whether that be 'separation from god', or actual physical punishment in a fiery place called hell, there is still the idea of damnation.
And such passages are in the actual scriptures of these religions; not mere religious laws back then. Meaning, the actual word of god is calling for a division among men, so to speak (as each of those three religions believe their text to be the revealed truth and word of god).
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Perhaps you could quit being so goddamned narrow-minded for a change.
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Hmmm, so first I'm ignorant, incapable of abstract thought, and now I'm goddamned narrow-minded? Hmmm, I can see religion uniting us already!
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Religion does NOT say any one person or people can know the whole entire truth about everthing. If fact, it encourages humilty and a humble acceptance of one's own limits. And did you just miss the parts in the various scriptures that say God is essentially unknowable?
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I don't think you're getting what I was trying to say. Religion posits a
truth about the nature of our realities. It isn't just some opinion. It's supposed to be the undebatable truth about the ultimate truth of our very universe. Therefore, most religions are presupposing that
it knows with certainty the nature of things. Hence faith; the commitment to something as completely true void of evidence! It's different than mere believing.
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Yes, we're all suffering a delusion. And Jesus, if he even existed, was just some deluded dude whose ideas just happened to sound cool enough to fool millions of people for thousands of years Ditto for Muhammed, Moses, Buddha and Baha'u'allah (the prophet-founder ofThe Baha'i Faith)
Yes, it's all just a case of a mass exersise in denial.
Do you have any idea how utterly ridicolous that sounds?
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There is an obvious logical fallacy in your argument here. Just because something is popular doesn't mean it's true. The second most selling book of all time in the world (the first would be the Bible) is the quotations from Mao Tse-tung (otherwise known as "the little red book"). So, because so many people worshiped Mao, and now so many people in North Korea are worshiping Kim Jong-Il as a god-king, that there is an element of truth to it, rather than just mass delusion?
Do you know how utterly ridiculous that sounds?
The simple matter is that we, as humans,
don't know the ultimate truth of our reality. Religions, a man-made phenomena, claim to
know the ultimate truth. They're accepting a reality with full commitment all void of evidence (faith); hence, it is not lying but mass delusion.
"If you want to achieve peace of mind and happiness, then have faith; if you want to be a disciple of truth, then search" -- Friedrich Nietzsche
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