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"The fact that you call your "side" the "rational" and the other "superstitious looneys" speaks volumes, and smacks of intolerance and narrow-mindedness on your part." myt
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I'm so grateful to you for mentioning this myt.
It provides me an ideal opportunity to reinforce my point.
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"Words mean things." Rush Limbaugh
Your above quoted comment suggests my post is in some way (any way) subjective.
Hardly!
Just consider the objective facts.
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rational (ràsh´e-nel) adjective
Consistent with or based on reason; logical *
[Middle English racional, from Old French racionel, from Latin rationâlis, from ratio, ration-, reason. See reason.]
- ra´tionally adverb
- ra´tionalness noun
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Religion, and superstition are essentially the same.
Technically, the former is a subset of the latter; but why split that hair?
It is technically correct; it is factually objective (NOT subjective) to recognize supernatural religion as "superstition".
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loony or looney also luny (l¡´nê) Informal. adjective
loonier, looniest
1.Extremely foolish or silly.
2.Crazy; insane.
noun
plural loonies also looneys
A foolish or crazy person *
[Shortening and alteration (probably influenced by loon1), of lunatic.]
- loon´ily adverb
- loon´iness noun
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"Insane" (extracted from the definition) is the correct term to apply to those that make absolutely extraordinary claims; with absolutely no proof whatsoever.
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"Your arguments could also be easily reversed on you." myt
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If it is within your power to do so sir or ma'am, I sincerely hope you will do so as skillfully as possible.
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"As secular humanists, with no basis in objective morality ..." myt
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That's what I thought.
a) How has "secular humanism" crept in here? I have not made claim to "secular humanism" in this thread. In fact, I believe I was quite explicit in stating that I made no claim at all; other than that the assertions of the supernaturalists, ie the superstitious, are unproved. Further, the burden of proof is on them to prove; NOT me to disprove.
b) Regarding "no basis in objective morality"; piffle.
First of all, what's "objective" about the morality the Bible and its ostensible followers tout?
Second, before you make this "no basis" assertion of yours, you should first study Freud, Jung, Skinner, and fundamental principles & history of British Common Law. Studying the works of the ethicists might also help guide you on this. But for you to assume there is no basis, simply because you don't understand the basis there is, is a demonstration of your ignorance; not an objective, factual observation.
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"she, and a man, made the "choice" to begin a new life" myt
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Piffle.
a) "She, and a man" [YOUR assertion] made a choice to have sex. If you consider the details of such agreements, seldom do they include specific details on child support. And without documentation, even if there were some child support agreement, it would not be likely to be legally binding.
b) It is a fundamental premise of Christianity that a woman can become pregnant without having sex.
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"I see "shreds", mountains and oceans of evidence everywhere." myt
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Spare me your "mountains and oceans" myt.
Just one! Please just cite ONE "shred" of "proof" of any manifest supernatural anything.
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"Atheists like to rant ..." myt
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Take it up with them.
I have made no atheist claim here.
I'm on explicit, unambiguous record as being agnostic here.
How could I possibly have made it any clearer?
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"Human beings are spiritual creatures ..." myt
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Have I suggested otherwise?
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"and if we don't adress that, we'll NEVER be truely happy or see our full potential, IMO." myt
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Splendid.
That's your opinion. And the 1st Amendment promises your right to exercise that opinion.
It does so as follows:
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B. O. R. ARTICLE #1: Ratified December 15, 1791
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion ...
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However:
The same 1st Amendment also promises my right to exclude your exercise from imposing upon me.
It does so as follows:
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... or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
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* Excerpted from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition © 1996 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from INSO Corporation; further reproduction and distribution in accordance with the Copyright Law of the United States. All rights reserved.