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Originally Posted by Katczinsky  Exactly; you are guilty of the same complications that you suggest atheists pose (that is, "just because").
1. Something is that which exists.
2. Nothing is that which does not exist.
3. Something cannot come from nothing.
4. God exists, therefore he is something (by definition of 1).
4.1 As something, God cannot come from nothing (by 3).
That's assuming God had a begining.
4.1.0.1 God must therefore come from something.
Again, assuming God would need a begining.
5. That something, as something, must come from something (by 3 again).
5.1 So on, ad infinitum.
Unless, of course, you suggest that God exists "just because".
No, I'm suggesting the existance of that which is finite and dependant suggest/points to the existance of something that is infinite and utterly independant. Just as ignorance is evidence of knowledge. And weakness is evidence of strenght.. and so on..
It's the same old thing, assuming the maker would be bound by that which limits the made.
If something can exist, on its own, inherently, "just because", why the unnecessary step of God not just the universe? | Because the universe exists in a state of dependance, in other words, it's compelled, by natural law, to do what it does. Take the simple example of water. If flows. Without will or intelligence.. it simply flows because that's what it is compelled to do. If at first you don’t succeed – try, try again and then quit. There’s no sense in making a damned fool of yourself. – W.C. Fields
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