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Old 08-23-2007, 06:26 PM   #134 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by mytmouse57 View Post
That's assuming God had a begining
That assumption has already taken place by the theory of theism (something can't come from nothing, or, as a movement [something, creation] there needs to be a cause of this movement), and you also seem to be assuming that the universe (as in all of existence/space-time) is finite.

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No, I'm suggesting the existance of that which is finite and dependant suggest/points to the existance of something that is infinite and utterly independant.
First of all, how can something that is utterly independent interact? Complete inherent existence suggests...well...complete inherent existence. It's absurd to suggest something completely independent is connected with other phenomena let alone create other phenomena.

Second, the assumption that our reality is finite is a large one. And dependent upon what? How could there possibly be objective evidence of reality being dependent upon another, seeing as such an existence would be *literally* outside our existence?

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Just as ignorance is evidence of knowledge. And weakness is evidence of strenght.. and so on..
It's the same old thing, assuming the maker would be bound by that which limits the made.
Then by this logic, existence would be evidence of non-existence.

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Because the universe exists in a state of dependance, in other words, it's compelled, by natural law, to do what it does. Take the simple example of water. If flows. Without will or intelligence.. it simply flows because that's what it is compelled to do.
This thinking primarily comes from our subjective experience (that is, our limited data and 3-dimensional thinking). Just because there are physical laws in this universe doesn't necessarily they're directed by an invisible hand, or intelligence.

And by this logic, you're assuming that motion is dependent upon outside intelligent direction. This age-old theory of the god of the weather, the god of the sun, etc.,etc. simply falls upon itself. The act of creation (and outside direction) is itself a motion, and therefore according to its own logic would dictate that such a motion demands dependence (or, simply, a cause of a cause; a God of God) and of course that is subject to infinite regression as pointed out earlier. Unless of course you want to say that God exists "just because".
"If you want to achieve peace of mind and happiness, then have faith; if you want to be a disciple of truth, then search" -- Friedrich Nietzsche

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