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Old 09-14-2007, 06:27 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by tyreay View Post
Thats because we won't go ourselves and actually try and make an agreement work. The whole middle east(except maybe Qatar, Israel, and the Saudis) think we are a bunch of scammers who are just there for oil (which I sure can't argue with). We wouldn't even talk to them ourselves. How would you view this if you were them? Don't get me wrong, I'm not sticking up for Irans Government. My point is simple. If we act like bullies we'll be considered bullies. We need to have the level headedness of someone applying logic, reason and learned experience, without pre-conceived notions and hate to actually have any kind of effect whatsoever>
Only an honest attempt from both sides will show if this is a workable solution. The chances, well, I wouldn't put any money on it.
The fact is, the US cannot rationally give the Iranian regime what they actually want.

So, the US has no leverage in any "talks" with Iran...no matter if the US talks with them directly or through a third party.

And I don't think you fully understand the nature of the Iranian regime as a whole.

They want to dominate the Middle East and turn it into one big theocratic and totalitarian state. And they want the end of all American and Western influence wherever Muslims live in this world. And they want the end of Israel.

But, none of these things are things that the US can offer them.

And, any "carrots" the US offers them isn't going to stop them from trying to achieve these goals.

And this is how its been for the past 28 years, no matter what the US has already offered and given to them during that time.
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