| Citizen Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cradle of Liberty (obs.) Gender:  Posts: 29 Country:  Level up: 16%, 84 Points needed |  |  Quote:
Originally Posted by garysher  What utter nonsense! Where do you get this drivel from? The NRA website?? |
While I am an Endowment Member of the NRA I rarely go to their website and I only scan thru the monthly mag they send me. Their position on many gun rights issues are let's say, not as ardent as mine. I find their arguments provincial and unsophisticated; molded more for public consumption than to be used by motivated gun rights supporter. The amicus briefs they write in federal gun cases are sometimes interesting but I am a member because I appreciate what they do for gun-owners, not for discussion points.
Now, as to where I get my info from it is called history. The UK has never had wide firearm ownership; even in WWII there were appeals from the UK to American citizens to donate firearms for their effort and ads even appeared in the National Rifleman, the NRA's flagship publication.
The UK's gun restrictions were originally hidden in the game code, no common citizen could own a vehicle to kill game. These laws kept arms out of the hands of nearly everyone except for landed aristocrats and the various titled nobles.
Even Blackstone, the esteemed expert on the laws of William & Mary noted and acknowledged this fact:
"that the prevention of popular insurrections and resistence to government by disarming the bulk of the people, is a reason oftener meant than avowed by the makers of the forest and game laws ."
Blackstone's Commentaries, Vol. II, p. 412
It's Britain's history and these restrictions evolved over time and they have remained in force without remission for centuries.
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Originally Posted by garysher It is the people themselves who have demanded that their governments get rid of guns - perhaps because they have seen what guns have done to the US. |
Dunblane finally killed what small gun owner demographic there was in England. But that beggs an easily answered question: Are there more or less gun crimes now than in 1997? Has the ban been a success?
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Originally Posted by garysher Most European countries have been through periods where most people had guns, as recently as WW2. |
Name them and discuss . . .
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Originally Posted by garysher But they also realise that more guns = more gun deaths. That's why they get their governments to do something about it. |
Thankfully there's another thing that separates us; my rights are not subject to either the momentary desires of a selfish politician or the ignorant whims of public opinion.
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Originally Posted by garysher And they aren't beholden to the best intents of a bunch of 18th century politicians who are long since dead and buried. |
Well, at least our old dead guys shook off your disgusting political model and instituted one based in individual liberty; fact is, your pitiful subjected condition that you presently wallow in and celebrate goes much further back then the 18th century. . .
Is there a camera in your bedroom yet?
"The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary." -- James D. Nicoll |