Being "civilized' certainly has many qualifiers. That I speak of how I view the state forcibly removing (at the point of a gun I might add) weapons from the citizenry "for our own good" as being hypocritical of the concept of being "civilized" is apropos in this present discussion. That you don't seem to recognize that it is an appropriate topic for discussion tells me that perhaps you should be the last person deciding what actions are appropriate for "civilized" people.

Just forcing your (those in authority) will on others is exactly the type of action that scream that you (the elite left) do not consider the common, little people, civilized. Such a mindset is not surprising though, it springs from the inability to discriminate between those who are wholesome members of society and those who are the rule breakers . . . using the actions of the lawless to establish the code of conduct for all, is not civilized on any level.
WTF are you talking about, you're the one talking about the law abiding "making accommodations" for the lawless, not me . . .
Well Dr. Phil, when we are ready for your European solution we'll ask for it.
What makes you think that I think that the 18th Amendment was a legitimate exercise of governmental power? Certainly words can be changed or stricken, but the uniquely American condition is that the principles upon which the Constitution rests are deemed more binding than the document.

You have severe fundamental defects in your understanding of the American governmental system.
That proves nothing . . . The "right" to own slaves came from the right to own property; when slaves' status changed the "right" to own them evaporated. I think you should read DRED SCOTT v. SANDFORD, 60 US 393 (1856) for an example of the thinking of the times.

As for women voting, voting law is generated in the states; it was the federal constitution which forced the states to remove their discriminatory qualifications based on sex. The "will of the people" as expressed in the state legislatures was insufficient to secure the rights of women to vote. Big Surprise!
Yes, we should get rid of drug laws criminalizing the use of non-prescribed drugs but not for the reason you offer, and yes, since no power was granted to the federal government to criminalize the use of non-prescription drugs there is none (if such a power could be said to exist it resides in the states).
So the answer to modifying the behavior of 15,000 murderers is to restrict liberty for 299,999,285 Americans?

Excuse me while I politely tell you to go pound sand.


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Will you please learn the posting software, the quoting operation in particular. Your posts are difficult to read with the red font and hard to follow (and reply to) with your reply inside quoted text which does not show when the "quote post" button is clicked.

Demonstrate you are smart enough to post correctly and maybe your demands on how America should conduct its affairs will be taken more seriously.