CNN — LOU DOBBS TONIGHT — Aired October 2, 2007 - 18:00 ET

KITTY PILGRIM, GUEST HOST: For a closer look at today's issues, we welcome some of the best radio talk show hosts in the country.

Warren Ballentine with Syndication 1 in Raleigh, North Carolina.

WARREN BALLENTINE, SYNDICATION 1: Good afternoon.

PILGRIM: Charles Goyette joins us from KFNX in Phoenix, Arizona.

CHARLES GOYETTE, KFNX PHOENIX: Hi, Kitty.

PILGRIM: Hi.

And Joe Madison, "The Black Eagle," from WOL in Washington, D.C. He's here in New York tonight. And thanks for being with us.

JOE MADISON, WOL, WASHINGTON, D.C.: Thank you.

Glad we could be here.

PILGRIM: And thanks for making the trip to New York.

BALLENTINE: Thank you, Kitty.

PILGRIM: Gentlemen, I'd like to start with Governor Spitzer, who has managed to raise quite a bit of controversy with his action to open up drivers licenses to illegal aliens. And, Warren, I know you've spent a good bit of time on this, discussing this. What are your viewers saying?

BALLENTINE: Well, my viewers are very upset about this. And, to be honest with you, Kitty, I'm a little concerned as a citizen and as an attorney. One of the things that I'm worried about is if they're going to issue these licenses, if they're giving these people the right to drive, if they go out and kill somebody, can we sue the State of New York? Also, the Interstate Commerce Clause is going to come into effect here, because if you're giving somebody a license, you're giving them a right to drive from state to state. And the illegal issue comes into play because if you're pulled over and you have a legal drivers license from the State of New York, you're — the question of you being here illegally may not ever be addressed because you have a legal driver's license.

PILGRIM: Yes.

BALLENTINE: And I mean it's a lot of different issues that's coming to play here with this.

PILGRIM: You know, and, certainly, Charles, you know — and, also, this document is your entree onto an airplane, isn't it?

GOYETTE: You know, Kitty, I think all of this stuff is headed toward a national I.D. card. I'm very, very sad to say that.

MADISON: Yes.

GOYETTE: I believe that's where we're going. And it is a concomitant — it is inevitability with the national security state that the Republicans and the Democrats have ushered in in this country with The Patriot Act and more.

We're headed toward a national I.D. card. We're headed to being vassals or surfs of the state. And I've looked at the field of presidential candidates. There's only one guy who's outspoken against this kind of stuff, and it's Congressman Ron Paul. He's been against this idea of a national security state for a long time. And he's starting to look more and more attractive with each passing day.

PILGRIM: Joe?

MADISON: But, you know what's really stupid about this — and I'm not going to mince words with this — is when I heard the governor today announce he's going to have a separate place for what...

BALLENTINE: Yes.

MADISON: ...illegal aliens...

BALLENTINE: Yes, that's...

MADISON: ...immigrants to go. So can you imagine if you're with the immigration service, all you have to do is just sit there and wait to see who gets in line.

PILGRIM: Well, can you imagine if the line is shorter what the (INAUDIBLE)...

MADISON: I mean, so what person who is here illegally...

PILGRIM: Right.

MADISON: ...is going to go and say, OK, legal over here, illegal over here.

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MADISON: Who's going to do that?

GOYETTE: Right. Right.

PILGRIM: That's — it really boggles the mind how that would work out logistically.

MADISON: Well, two hours we couldn't get away from this...

PILGRIM: Oh, really?

MADISON: And not one caller — one caller — supported it. Not one.

PILGRIM: Well, that's interesting.