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Originally Posted by tristanrobin  myt - I think that a lot of what you said is true
however, when somebody advocates the discrimination and barring of rights from certain law-abiding segments of the population, it IS hateful. I don't CARE if they use religion as a validation for it. There are people who consider elements of Islam hateful and have no problem saying it.
Not everything said about gay people is hateful - but there is a line (which is WAY before you get to Fred Phelps and his ilk) over which 'hateful' is a perfectly reasonable adjective. |
Tristan, I agree with you.
For example, there ARE (what I would consider to be mis-practiced) elements within the Islamic world that are hateful.
As for the rights of law-abiding citizens, I've always held that secular law should be as libretarian as reasonably possible. As I understand religion according to my studies of it, the Prophets have all said let the world and the people in it go the way they will.
And I agree with that. I don't think gambling, prostitution and the recreational use of certian substances are moral. But I think making them illegal is stupid and pointless.
Marriage, or unions (pick your term) as gays are trying to seek it, is a civil, legal matter -- not a religious/moral matter.
And even within religion, I have a right only to criticize that within MY religion. If another religion debates it among themselves and decides they want gay weddings in their church, it's not my place to tell them what to do. If at first you don’t succeed – try, try again and then quit. There’s no sense in making a damned fool of yourself. – W.C. Fields
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