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Old 10-22-2007, 06:51 PM   #15 (permalink)
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It all relitive bro. He also said "I and the Father are one". John said "He was in the world, and the world was MADE by him, but the world knew him not." Genisis, says "in the begining God created the heavens and the earth". The bible says Jesus Christ is the image of the living God. Isaiah said he would be called wonderfull, councler, the everlasting Father, the all mighty God. In Revelations he said " I am the first and the last, the begining and end of all things" Why you ask? I dont know.

Actually, the verses in Isaiah and Revelations don't refer to Jesus... at least not Jesus of Nazereth.

Many of the O.T. prophecies some Christains say refer to Jesus actually do not.

For one thing, Jesus isn't the "Prince of Peace."

"Think not that I come to bring peace, but rather a sword..." Sound familiar?

The title Prince of Peace rightfully belongs to another.

Anyhoooo...I spent quite a lot of my youth in the teaching of such groups as Campus Crusade for Christ, who, btw, love that supposed "Lord, Liar or Lunatic" cunondrum. So, you're probably not going to tell me anything I don't already know... and know how to refute.

Bottom line is, Christ was God manifest, not God incarnate. And Jesus of Nathereth was nothing more (or less) than a man.

Hence the numerous verses of self-effacement, like the one I cited.
Taken in it's entirety ... and not just the verses Campus Crusade likes to cite ... Jesus' teaching on these matters seem contradictory...as He says he's NOT God about as many times as he supposedly says He IS God.

Like the part where He's standing right in front of a bunch of people and says, "Nobody has seen God."
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