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Originally Posted by DanteBoston  BIGGER WHOA!
The system we have now has not made us all poor. What are you talkin' bout? |
Really???? We have a middle class that is struggling to exist. Fighting off income taxes, property taxes, payroll taxes, all the while government is trying to find more ways to take more money. Offering to take care of people from the cradle to the grave, providing day care, health care, and social security. All government has accomplished is to find new ways to make the elite rich, while the working Americans have to turn more and more to government to meet their basic needs.
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Originally Posted by DanteBoston You redefine as the good for society to a point I would be hard pressed to find anyone I know who would agree to your definition. Who are these people you are talking about who say they support these things? |
Hillary Clinton, Harry Reid, Obama, Rudy G, and the list can go on and on. We need help with healthcare in this country because people cannot obtain it themselves, well one of the reasons they can't is because of the ridiculous regulations place on companies by government. People cannot be trusted to invest money into private retirement accounts, therefore government must continue to do so poorly.
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Originally Posted by DanteBoston the resentment seems to have set in close to home, eh? |
You are damn right. I know a few people who are on the government dole. They sit on their asses at home, drinking, popping their pills, and having a good time. The government is helping them to get a home, one in which they will pay only $300 a month for, out of money that is paid to them by the government. They have a brand new car, whose payment is $350 a month, paid for by you guessed it, the government. Here I sit, working 40-plus hours in a week, I rent a place at $500 a month and my car was made in 1984. Your damn right I have resentment. I look at these folks when they are drinking and partying and never have to work. What a fracking crock. Hell members of their own family are ashamed of them and the crap they pull, so I know I am not alone.
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Originally Posted by DanteBoston We thought families did that. Silly us. But you have a good point. Maybe we should demand schools teach this. |
Why not, government schools have taken over teaching everything else that parents once taught, i.e. home economics, sex education. Why should we not expect our government to at least teach something that is useful.
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Originally Posted by DanteBoston Really? Socialism does this? Hmmm. |
Yep it sure does. You wind up with a few elite and everyone else is poor, without ever having a chance to become a part of the elite themselves.
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Originally Posted by DanteBoston You sound like the Reaganites "Government is the problem" when reality shows it is not. Bad government is the problem and Reagan ran a bad government. |
Government is the problem. No one size fits all solution exists to the problems that people are faced with on a day to day basis, yet government continues to function as though they can one day find it. Their only solution has been to spend more money rather than find out why what they are doing is not working.
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Originally Posted by DanteBoston Socialism is not so bad. How one uses it is. It's like guns don't kill people, people with guns kill people. |
Any system based on the philosophy that states from each according to their ability, to each according to their need is wrought with peril. When you take from those of ability and give to those with need you are setting yourself up for failure. When hard work does not pay, but instead need, you wind up with everyone needing and no one having ability. Socialism regardless of how its used all ends up the same, an elite that governs over the needy, the only thing social about the system is that everyone suffers equally.
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