Originally Posted by Nightrider

Good thoughts, Mike - will have to ruminate on that post a little. . .

I do agree that we've had worse - DH and JJ for starters (and in Gary's favor - I do applaud how he handled himself in those "Jewish" forums). . .

Now - I have no problem with Gary (at least from a personality standpoint). However, I just feel that if he's going to post on forums like the GM forum, then he should get his facts straight. I don't really see him as a bully - just someone who's ignorant and uninformed (I mean - how would he like it if one of his kids told him they were gay???? - I just hope that never happens. . . for the kids' sake, anyway).

But I'm straying off point. Mostly - I'm just curious to see how people generally feel here at DtT. Does the GM forum "dominate" discussions here? Do you feel that discussions there are too heated? Is Gary basically responsible for that heatedness?

I'm just saying that some people have nothing better to do than sit on their butt 24/7 - getting pleasure out of harassing gays for their own personal "livelihood". . . whatever that may be. Not only is that sad in my eyes (I pity people like that) - but it sort of bothers me.

When I joined this forum, there were many posters who debated about all kinds of topics - and those discussions were intelligent, rational and civil. Then Gary joined - and well, things started to spin out of control.

Now what I see are discussions (especially in the GM forum) that have no social redeeming value whatsoever - posts so stupid and unworthy of responses that it makes ME want to leave. . . but I don't. I keep posting in the hopes that things will improve and get better. . .

My grandfather had a favorite saying - "The scum always rises to the top." I see that happening here at DtT (have for a long time) and it concerns me...

Anyhow, it's just my opinion - no more, no less. . .