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Old 02-06-2008, 05:40 PM   #78 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by garysher View Post
That simply isn't true (which doesn't mean you're lying) and I'm surprised that a bright guy like you would make such a statement!

lie • noun an intentionally false statement
AskOxford: lie<sup>2</sup>

not just incorrect but "Intentionally false"
Hence the qualifier "Either that or stupid enough to not know the difference between knowing and believing."

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If you believe something to be true then you are not telling a lie when you say so, even if your statement is not or cannot be proven.

You believe that one day you will be a Professor. You cannot prove it, but you aren't lying.

However, if I said that one day I'll be a Professor I would be lying, because I know that statement is intentionally false.
You are right that in this example I wouldn't be lying if I said "I believe I will one day become a professor."

But I would be lying if I said "I know I will one day become a professor."

I, and perhaps Hev also, both understand perfectly the meaning of words like "liar" and "truth", I think it is you who does not grasp the meaning of words like "know" and "believe".

If one said "I believe God exists."

That is not a lie.

If one said, "I know I believe God exists."

That is presumably not a lie.

If one said, "I know God exists."

That is a lie. Either that, or like you, does not know the difference between knowing and believing.
"If you want to achieve peace of mind and happiness, then have faith; if you want to be a disciple of truth, then search" -- Friedrich Nietzsche

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