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Katczinsky · 03-15-2008, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Gadgetory

Let me explain in another way what I am saying. I am not saying I don't think Obama is a good candidate, I am no saying he wouldn't make a good President, I am not saying his campaign doesn't appeal to some. I am saying he has to stop playing the race card everytime something negative is said about him. I am saying there is a growing thought belief amongst white America its OK for a Black American to say racist comments and not OK for white people. I am saying white people don't understand why a black person can say the "n" word and its OK and a white person cannot. It doesn't matter if Obama never uses the word thats irrelevant.

What do you mean it's irrelevant? You sound like a disgruntled hick on stormfront. Why are you surprised when people use the race card when you go on about how the white's have it so unfair?

Tell me something. If Obama is the nominee, would you vote for him in the general election?

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I do prefer Hilary over Obama (because I do think he uses the race card and I do think he is sexist, sorry thats how he appears to me but I'll vote for whatever Dem in the end because I always do but I am not everyone, I am not a swing voter).

So you can't use the race card, but using the sex card is perfectly alright??

You have yet to provide an example of Obama using the race card, all the while consistently using the sex card yourself.

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And I didn't vote for either of them in the primary, my candidate withdrew after I'd sent in my postal vote. If he'd withdrew a few days earlier I'd have voted for Hilary because over the 2 candidates with little experience she has more experience and I know where she stands on issue close to my heart and I've no idea where Obama stands his word isn't good enough he is a politician afterall. And oddly (and this is the opposite of the way the media portrayed it). I liked her eyes welled with tears when a reporter told her she looked nice because her response was honest, I am sick of people putting on a show I want honesty. Obama is a great showman. And because she had been attacked by the media or years about the way she looked and I thought it was a poignant moment. The press jumped on it and started a rather sexist attack on women being overly emotional which frankly disgusted me. It didnt disgust Mr Lets all work together, he agreed with the press which also disgusted me.

You have yet to provide an example of him 'using the race card'. Just pure conjecture on your part. That if you criticize a black person that 'must' mean that black person uses the race card.

And please, honesty? You have got to be kidding me! The very reason why Obama's campaign is gaining traction even among conservatives is because of his alternative to two-faced politicians like Hillary Clinton and John McCain. At least we know where he stands.

Hillary Clinton has showed an entire taxonomy of different personalities on the campaign trail. She spews straight-out lies about her stances. While she'd have you mislead into believing that she's the alternative to NAFTA, she helped create NAFTA in the first place, and she consistently voted to retain it's provisions throughout her Senate career. Likewise she not only voted for war authorization but consistently voted to keep the Iraq War going. If she's been wrong so many times then why exactly is she the most qualified candidate to 'answer that phone call at 3 am'?? Experience doesn't mean shit if your judgment is impaired. Obama on the other hand was initially opposed to both NAFTA and the Iraq War.

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So back to Obama and the need to stop calling white people racist. Many white people are sick of it, they are sick of the line of thought that white people are oppressing black people and we are all racist. They think I never owned a slave, they can't see racism is institutionalized. Which isn't Obama's campaign but its very easy to paint him this way when he calls people racists. They'll end up painting him not as a natural progression from MLK but as the new Malcolm X who blames white people for oppressing black people which isn';t his campaign but people don't read what candidates say they read headlines and only sometimes they may read an article. Now they get to read a headline and if they want an article whereby his preacher for the last 20 years has over a period of timed used racial slurs about white people. It doesn't mater Obama repudiates it, its out there and they will continue to paint him like this and the GOP is going to have fun doing it. Many white people are poor working class and or middle class who don't believe they have anything to do with oppressing anyone because they themselves feel oppressed and resent black people blaming them for their lot in life. So when a rich black guy (he is wealthy he paid $1.65 mil for a home) starts calling them racist they get pissed off. Obama had the perfect opportunity when Ferraro said her crap the other day to say you know I am lucky, I am lucky I live in a time where all Americans have worked together so thats its possible that a black man and a woman are the 2 frontrunners for the Democratic Candidancy for the Presidency of the USA..instead we get the negative racist comments.

Seriously, do you belong to stormfront? Are you completely ignorant of history? "Malcolm X who blames white people for oppressing black people which isn';t"?? You'd have a very hard time trying to justify your delusion that black people weren't oppressed by white people in this country. The socio-economic structures today with self-reinforcing poverty in the inner-city and poor quality education for African-American districts are vestiges of American history of white racism going all the way back to slavery. You're living in a pipe dream if you think everything was suddenly made better and black people are in their condition because of the quality of their work ethic or some bullshit like that. Racism is indeed institutionalized, and it's not far from reality to say that the ruling class are white and the black are a part of the proletariat.

There's a reason why the public schools in the rich and white New Albany suburb of my home city of Columbus, Ohio looks like a Harvard campus whilst public schools in Columbus are so underfunded that many are literally either laying off teachers or closing schools down all together. If you think a systemic problem with roots in white racism aren't to blame then you're just delusioned. There's just no other way of putting it.

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BTW Obama said we should bomb our enemies he thought that was a viable response. He also voted for tax breaks for oil companies and not to force them to reinvest mprofit into alernative fue forms and voted against withdrawing troops from Iraq. He has to be careful because the little he has done is often in complete opposition to what he is currently saying. People do not read what he says unless they are interested in him, they read headlines.

I'm wondering if you're actually interested in why he voted the way he voted or you're just interested in regurgitating campaign rhetoric from Clinton's website. Although, that is one of the many issues I do have with Obama, is that although he was opposed to the war from the start, he did vote to continue funding. But then again my first choice in a presidential candidate was Dennis Kucinich. So I have to work with the best we got, and Clinton, a former Republican leader, corporate sell-out, and former member of Wal-Mart's board of directors could hardly be in the best interests of the working class. If you really think she is, then you are the naive idealist, not the Obama supporters.

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Don't believe the war in Iraq is as unpopular as polls would have you believe either, the polls up until the primaries started showed Hilary kicking ass and Rudy would be the GOP presidential candidate, very little issue about it according to polls. Here we are with McCain who was about to pull out of the race and the Dems cannot decide.

I do think this country is still pretty polarized on the war. Though, that probably has to do something with the White House's successful propaganda campaign of the 'surge'.

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And lets all stop pretending that he isn't using his race to his advantage and more power to him but their is a limit in the actual appeal

Again, polling data confirms that in the bigger states such as California, Texas, New York, Florida, and especially Ohio, his race has worked in favor of Hillary. Although he might get the black vote easier, the black vote is still a small minority. People who say that Obama's race factored into their considerations for who they were going to vote for were consistently in favor of Clinton usually 60-40.

The fact that he has gotten this far is a testament to the content of his character, not the color of his skin.