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Originally Posted by Katczinsky  Those numbers are debatable; it's disingenuous to pick and choose doctored numbers by a lying tyrannical Chinese government and some of the more liberal estimates in Myanmar. 'Violent protesters' carries a negative connotation; as if they were using harmful violence. The protesters in Tibet are no more violent than those in Myanmar. And even if they were, can you blame them?
I know I'd be pretty goddamn violent if a tyrannical nation invaded, occupied, and attempted to ethnically cleanse my country. By all rights they would continue to have the moral high ground even if it were a violent resistance. |
If you were the leader of a country, wouldn't you suppress any rebels inside your border? It's only natural to expect the PRC to do this. If self-preservation is evil, then I need to rethink my life. And the protests are violent, they've started fires and such, and it is spreading throughout western China.
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Originally Posted by Katczinsky I fail to see the alleged logic in this. It seems you like to peddle the lie that our economy is somehow dependent upon China's? Despite the persuasiveness of the doom and gloom sayers, we're still the most powerful economy on Earth and can quite suffice without the shitty mass produced toxic crap that comes from China.
In actuality, China's economic development is highly dependent upon the United States and the west. We have a lot more leverage than they. The Chinese care a lot what we think. But so long as our governments are more interested in expanding business into the opening vast Chinese market than standing up for our sovereignty, the sovereignty of occupied countries, or human rights then the Chinese don't have much to worry about. |
Oh my. Thank you for that laugh.
Anyone who's been alive for twenty seconds can see that our economies are interdependent. You remove the US, all the workers in China have no one paying them and no pay, so thier economy falls apart. Remove China, we don't get basic goods to continue to survive. Even ignoring that argument, the companies with factories in China stop making things, so they have nothing to sell. The company falls apart, investors loose money, and the stock exchange collapses.
It's like saying that 9/11 hasn't changed our perception of the world. It's stupid, to put it bluntly.
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Originally Posted by Katczinsky It's when foreign governments stop saying the Chinese should "exercise constraint" in their putting down of Tibetan non-violent resistance (thereby effectively sanctioning it) and start saying that Chinese should recognize Tibet's sovereignty and they should recognize universal human rights when the Chinese need to start being worried. |
China is the key to the world economy, it produces the goods for the US, the economic, social, cultural, and military powerhouse of the world. Sure they're doing evil stuff, but if we act on it, we all run out of money.
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Originally Posted by Katczinsky Had today's global socio-economic climate been applied to the times of WWII, then we probably wouldn't give a crap about the occupation of France and much of Eastern Europe, because it would be so economically beneficial to trade with the Nazis. |
Winner for fastest comparison to Nazi Germany to make a post look bad!
You can just take a situation and transplant it to another, to make it accurate you'd need to increase the size of Nazi Germany to a population of nearly a billion and a half, give it natural resources galore, and have most of the people be extremely poor. France would have to be a minor power with virtually no resources or population. And the economic benefit would far outweigh anything they did to the Jews, Gypsies, or gays. I personally don't like it, but if you think morality is the guiding light of the politics of any nation of any time, then you need psychiatric care.
Not to mention the fact that the Tibetan Empire brutally conquered the mouth of the Ganges, killing hundreds of thousands of people.