OOH, what a witty comeback Gary! And my definitions are not irrelevant, they are irrelevant to you. I'm glad you had great parents, but that doesn't mean anyone else did. Try and think outside of your own limited experiences, and walk a mile in someone else's shoes. You might change your opinion about a lot of things. Are you seriously saying that parenthood does not imply adulthood? Because even if you still live with your parents after you have a baby, if you are the caretaker of said baby, you are an adult. An adult who still can't vote, or buy alcohol, or maybe even drive, but who can have a baby with all the responsibility that parenthood entails.