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Originally Posted by deekers79  My apologies, fxashun. I came upon this string while searching for something else on Google, and I didn't realize it was part of a much longer debate. I suppose the only purpose of the post now is that some rebellious teenager might happen upon it and decide he's not so rebellious after all.
Also, I'd forgotten that all hard science is seen as an "excuse" by a lot of traditionalists. I suppose the laws of gravity are just excuses used by people who won't accept that God keeps us secured to the planet himself, because he loves us. Or better yet, space exploration is an abomination because God included gravity as part of his original creation. And anything man does that defies God's intention on Earth is sinful.
Unfortunately, I also believe that God created our brains and gave us reason and the ability to learn. I also believe that he expects us to use that reason and ability to learn, not just take everything we've been told on faith.
And thank you, tristan, for the welcome. I've had similar long-winded debates on other sites. I'll agree that it gets difficult to make any argument against the statements: "Things are the way they are because that's the way they are, and things should stay the way they are just because that's how they've always been."
So much damage has been and is being caused by those ideas. | Welcome. It's always great to have a new voice on the site.
And you are mistaken if you think I am a traditionalist, but I am a believer in what you consider "hard science" as opposed to the relativistic "social science" you are bringing to the table. I don't think you should alter what is obvious just because it might hurt someones feelings or it's an "inconvenient truth". You are right that we have our brains though. And the human brain, pretty much in all modern cultures and few past ones has considered homosexuality at best "different" and in many cases MUCH worse. Nothing has changed about humans. Same gender attraction is what it is. And that "is" makes no sense in any realm of thinking other than disordered. You can manipulate your thinking to accept it any way you like, but I don't think we should fool ourselves into the "they are just like us" BS. They are no more like "us" than the other sexual deviant urges that DON'T have as strong a governmental lobby.
As for your God angle...I'd be more apt to argue against religion than for it. 
Last edited by fxashun; 04-27-2008 at 07:25 AM.
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