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Old 04-27-2008, 04:41 PM   #24 (permalink)
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This is true. I revise my original statement as follows: I'd forgotten that all scientific explanations are seen as "excuses" by a lot of traditionalists. Do you want to address my point now?
It would help if you restated your "point" after I exposed the error.


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"So let's get this straight - God gives us brains so we can oppose His guidance to us provided in the scriptures???"

Well, I do believe that human reason came before the scriptures. Incidentally, what is a higher authority: God-given reason, or man-written text?

How about the Word of God given to man?

Aren't you the one who commented about "poisoning the well"??


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"I agree. 'Things are the way they are' is a line of defence often used by homosexuals to justify their dysfunctional behaviour patterns."

This is true. So what you must look at is the reason for change. Homosexual behavior, in and of itself, is not dysfunctional.

How on earth do you rationalise that??

The purpose of human sexuality is procreation. Homosexual sex can never result in conception, ergo it is dysfunctional.



(To call it so as you did is to poison the well, another logical error.) It's when you add all the oppression (in the form of invalidation) that has been placed on homosexuals that you start to see dysfunctional behavior in them. What I was talking about (and which you failed to address) is the fact that traditionalists don't have any real reasons for not legalizing same-sex marriage except that marriage in most of the world has always been a man and a woman.

You're talking about an individual saying "this is how I've been ever since I can remember," and therefore his or her argument is based solely on personal experiences. What I'm talking about is people who base their arguments on other people's opinions and behaviors: tradition.

The way babies are created is not just a "tradition", so your entire line of argument about "traditionalism" just collapsed.

And before you go off on another tangent, I'm not saying all tradition is bad, I'm saying it can be misguiding and doesn't take into account the personal experiences of the people it oppresses.

Sounds like you are going off on a tangent.

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