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Originally Posted by hot dragon  i am not sure what sort of evidence you are really looking for. the evidence available to you is enough to convince most people who have seen it. it is comparable to the evidence that women are as intelligent as men, or that dinosaurs once walked the earth. it is presented in the same forums, by people with the same level of experience and training. you can choose to ignore it, but you cannot claim it is worthless. |
I've told you what evidence I am looking for several times. Show me "why" a person can be gay yet oppose human physiology. Show me how gay is an evolved human trait as completely as how humans respirate oxygen and digest sustenance. Studying behavior and rationalizing based on that isn't evidence, it's just observing a defect and finding a way to make it fit a preconceived idea.
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as that was the point i was trying to make.
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Why would you take this sentence out all by itself? This says nothing without the sentences around it. What?
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actually, that has been said many times.
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Where? Where has someone said that homosexuality and pedophilia are
exactly the same. Just as with the left handed and racial analogies, it is assumed the person in the discussion is intelligent enough to understand the similarities. In fact I have repeated the similarities here and clarified the similarities. The fact that you are still making that lame assertion is sad.
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not so obvious that you have compared them directly countless times.
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They do compare directly. They are both sterile, physiologically challenged, and have no real evolved purpose of facilitation. Not much biologically separates them. I repeat.
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people make those comparisons to show how ludicrous they are. they are an example of what sort of flawed conclusions you can come to if you make narrow comparisons based on the superficial. and they are made to illustrate that social norms can be and have been interpreted as biological truths.
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I don't use social norms. Homosexuality will be aberrant regardless of it's social standing.
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you, however, do the opposite. you have made the comparison between paedophilia and homosexuality because you believe them to be very similar.
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They are. Biologically they are VERY similar.
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i am not. i am letting you know that the actual sexual urges are biologically different. they look similar but only if you refuse to look in any detail. leopards and cheetas look similar too, but nobody would suggest they are the same, they are different in many ways. as are paedophiles and gays.
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But they are both felines just as all sexual orientations, hetero included are sexual urges. Only one of which is normal for humans. Other defect simply exist along side them. Just as mentally retarded person is still a human, just a human with a defect.
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the differences are fundamental. the differences relate to which drives, urges, cognitive processes, emotions are activated or supressed during arousal. slight ?
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Not really. We just know that they have a different reaction to stimuli. THAT is their defect. Just as a male reacting to another male as a female would is THEIR defect. You are showing just how you have rationalized a way to think about homosexuality as "normal" not realizing that that same argument can be used for any f'd up mental situation.
That's the problem with rationalizing, once you start, any further limitations can also be rationalized away.
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not really, not if you have the time and inclination to look beyond genitals. but i think we might have come full circle. i feel i am repeating myself. and i think you are too.
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Homosexuality is f'd up before genetalia even come into play. It's f'd up to want to have sex with a member of the same gender, another species, or a child before any sexual activity takes place.
And yes, this is repeated. Especially the parts about the similarities of pedo and gay.
This is my new signature.