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Originally Posted by Katczinsky Now you just engaged in a very hyprocritical argument. I just sat here and read what you said in response to Mr. Jones, that people are too quick in judging the entire military based on some individual instances. Now you are here, blasting away at the American people because of what the upper top plutocratic rich have done, as well as a select few who were upset with the killing of millions of Vietnamese and thousands of Americans. You hold the American people in contempt because a select few rich and powerful morons in office think they can use our military how they please? You should be in favor of the American people, you should be in support of a democratic consensus, you are a part of the few, you are apart of the brave, you are a part of an organization designed to defend the democratic process, essential liberties, and the socratic questioning that makes up this great country! Not hold it in contempt. THAT is what I mean by a lot of the military needs to refind its place in our society! |
The American public is so quick to embrace the American soldier when we are engaged in a war. The same was true during the First Gulf War. But after that what happened???? Everybody got back to their life and forgot about us, until the next time we were put in harms way. As far as your select few, were they not the ones hailed as heroes of a new revolution, the young radicals who challenged the status quo. The whole reason most people who join the Army do so is out of pride about their country and its people. Yet once we do, we see how we are treated by civilians. The disdain that people hold, the news stories that always try judge us off the actions of a few. Where was the American public when the President was trying to balance a budget and not wanting to cut domestic spending decided to cut military spending and we didn't have enough bullets to go to the range, enough money to perform our required one jump a month, enough money to deploy on field problems. We are supported in war, and forgotten in peace.
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Originally Posted by Katczinsky Right after September 11th while all American passanger planes were grounded, the United States government was busy deporting family and freinds of Osama bin Laden to the safety of their own countries. When the al-Qaeda attacked us, the President failed to act immediately, giving Osama and his co-conspirators months of head start. When the United States went into Afghanistan and toppled the Taliban, the United States government failed to committ enough troops for the search of the al-Qaeda ring. When we should have been focused on retribution onto those that attacked us, this administration engaged in a war of aggression in defiance to the world, onto a country that did not pose a threat onto us, let alone its neighbors. |
Come now, why must you support your argument with blatant lies????
The 9/11 Commission Report (pp. 329-330):
"First, we found no evidence that any flights of Saudi nationals, domestic or international, took place before the reopenning of national airspace on the morning of September 13, 2001. To the contrary, every flight we have identified occurred after national airspace reopened.
Second, we found no evidence of any political intervention. (Discussion of how decision was made by Richard Clarke in coordination with the FBI).
Third, we believe that the FBI conducted a satisfactory screening of Saudi nationals who left the United States on charter flights. (discussion of the screening). The FBI interviewed all persons of interest on these flights prior to their departures. They concluded that none of the passengers was connected to the 9/11 attacks and have since found no evidence to change that conclusion."
You really shouldn't rely on Michael Moore for the truth!!!!
Then you attack the President for not acting immediately. Remember the last time a President acted immediately the result was a $2 million missile blowing up a $10 tent and a camel. The President offered the government of Afghanistan the opportunity to turn over members of al-Qaeda, when they failed only then did we attack.
Mistakes were made by the administration and the generals in waging the war in Afghanistan, and yes Bin Laden escaped.
But your contention that we defied the world is another stretch of reality. We had 35 other countries that supported our actions. It was the UN who we defied, the very same organization that Hussein had been defying since 1991. Perhaps they were too busy trying to protect their own cash cow (Oil-for-Food).
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Originally Posted by Katczinsky Instead of working in his office talking with specialists about the al-Qaeda and catching bin Laden, the Bush administration was too busy cherry-picking and manipulating evidence, lying to congress, and to the American people to engage in a war of aggression. Instead of drawing out a new true-democratic Afghanistan, and promoting toleration and peace in the Middle East, we're setting up American facades in Iraq and Afghanistan, building permanent military bases, securing oil fields, securing record breaking profits to oil companies, and engaging in religious and political intolerance at home and in occupied territories. Instead of promoting freedom and democracy, the Bush administration continues to eliminate essential liberties of the American people, and promote the stomping-out of dissent and socratic inquirey. |
Do we once again have to pull out all the quotes from all the different people regarding Iraq and Hussein. When others said it, their statements were mistaken because of the faulty intelligence, but because Bush said it, it must be lies. Cut the crap. This is what happens when our intelligence community is forced to rely upon technology rather than human intelligence.
Of course we wish to have military bases in the Middle East, right now it is the major supplier of oil to the world, and we have a vested interest in oil, it fuels our society. And yes we protected to oil fields in Iraq, only an idiot would leave them unprotected and a target for the insurgents.
The oil companies made record profits thanks to record sales and the fact that OPEC refused to increase oil production, thus driving the cost of oil to $70 a barrel.
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Originally Posted by Katczinsky Instead of catching Osama bin Laden and his co-conspirators, and watching their war crimes tribunals, we're watching the killing of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis, killing of thousands of brave men and women in the military, and the tramatic wounding of tens of thousands of US military men and women, and watching the war crimes tribunals of Saddam Hussein. Instead of eliminating the al-Qaeda, those who attacked us on 9/11, the Bush administration has increased its recruiting numbers to unprecedented levels as a result of its policies. Instead of unifying the Arab world into a pro-democratic and pro-western policy, the Bush administration has further alienated the Arab world from progressivism, democracy, and human rights. Instead of elminating the last elements of those that attacked us, the Bush administration shakes hands with Saudis. Instead of seeing a democratic peace finally in Afghanistan, we see two violent occupations and quagmires in Iraq and Afghanistan. Instead of engaging in tolerance and freedom of dissent, the US military is engaging in violent torchure of guilty and innocent alike. |
Come now hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians??? The estimates are between 28000 and 38000.
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/database/
Even Al Jazeera puts the count at only 37000
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...4C323A777F.htm
Bush was the one person who actually believed that the Muslim world was ready for democracy. France and the UN prefered that a new dictatorship be established in both countries to better facilitate the transition. Bush actually had the courage to allow the people of both countries to elect its leadership.
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Originally Posted by Katczinsky And just because Iran is anti-American, it makes it morally alright for us to give direct military and financial aid to an even more brutal dictator? Is it alright to give a brutal dictator that directly uses the policies of Stalin and Hitler as his guide book chemical weapons that will be used on innocent people? |
This decision was made over 25 years ago, its water under the bridge. Past Presidents over the decades have mishandled foreign policy, supporting pro-American dictators. This President has actually had the courage to establish a new policy, demanding democracy.
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