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Old 02-25-2006, 04:12 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: gitmo
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once again, debate related. sorta. gitmo, short for guantanamo bay, was just on c-span, where the nat.'l security advisor stephen hadley said that most people wish there weren't any gitmo's, but that they are in fact necessary to the war on terror. if we have any policy debaters on here whatsoever, what's your stance on granting POW status under the resolution?

I don't see how stripping people of their right to a trial as being necessary to the war on terror. I would argue that it creates more fuel for the enemy and may even create more enemies overall.
that's precisely why the affirmative has the advantage on this side, because giving them their right to due process, while not required and certainly not deserved (seeing as it's a civil liberty, not human, applying to citizens only) is said to up our soft power and hegemony. everyone loves that nye 99 card. but in negation, would we not be violating internat.'l law by giving them status that under the geneva convention they don't qualify for? and, in addition, would we not have to change their status in order to ensure said due process?

As the unofficial "leader of the free world" we should lead by example. How we treat the prisoners there will reflect our moral standards in the eyes of the world and give us more or less influence to promote freedom or democracy (or whatever we are trying to export).

I fail to see why these people do not deserve or why we are not required to give them their right to due process.
first, it's because under international law they do not qualify for the POW status that would be required to ensure their due process rights. second, there is absolutely no h.r. abuse at gitmo, i have cards for it in my crate. what you have to realize is that it would be the biggest possible waste of the government, court system, and legal official's times to go through the process of changing their status, and then giving due process to over 600 people because they were picked up on the battlefield as enemy combatants firing at american soldiers so taking them through the court system would be an absolute waste because there's no way they could prove themselves innocent! they were caught in the act and that shows the lack of need to give them the chance to show otherwise.