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Originally Posted by prescott911 here are human rights for you that amnesty international protects. |
You might have forgotten to give the link, if you meant to give one.
But beyond that, I think there are other issues involved. Like the Geneva convention.
Making up new categories to put people in doesn't negate the ones that have existed for years and agreed upon by an international contingent.
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Originally Posted by prescott911 if you are going to prevent the torture of terrorists in a place like gitmo so that their rights arent violated, then what about the violation of the human rights of those that are murdered by a terrorist attack that could have been prevented by the torturing of a terrorist?? arent those right being violated?? |
1) Who decides if we are actually torturing a "terrorist" in the first place? I doubt the suspect is going to say, "Hey! Look at me! I'm a terrorist and I have info that could save lives but won't give it unless I'm tortured!"
These people at Gitmo are mostly (from the accounts I have heard) captured from a foreign land where they were fighting against U.S. troops that had "invaded" their land.
How much relevant "terrorist" knowledge do you really think they are going to have?
2) Is this the "two wrongs make a right" argument?
So it's okay to act like them if we're trying to stop them?
3) Torture is a notoriously unreliable means of obtaining accurate information.
Shouldn't that actually mean something for how we do business?
4) In the Christian theology, there is a concept of dying for your religion.
For American philosophies and humane treatment, should we be no less stringent about observing these ideals when it is somebody else's life or pain and suffering on the line?
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Originally Posted by prescott911 so would you rather torture a terrorist/murderer for information or let people die because you did not obtain that information?? |
The flaw in that question is assuming it's an either/or scenario. That those are our only two options.
A flaw which can be exemplified by pointing to any REAL LIFE example of where this has been the case.
How many potential terrorist attacks in the U.S. have been thwarted because of torture?
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Originally Posted by prescott911 im all for the torture of terrorists just as long as it has a purpose other than "having fun" that is sadistic and messed up. |
Understood, but hopefully you understand that there are other issues in play as well...
Who is to say that you have a "terrorist" in the first place?
Who is to say whether or not the suspect actually has knowledge that you need in the first place?
Who is to say that "torture" is an effective means of information procurement?
How many non-terrorists or terrorists with no information to give should we torture before figuring out the flaws in the whole "torture" issue...