Christ all mighty. Every single aspect of violation against "John" reads like the complaints of Gitmo inmates. So spare the moral outrage until a time when the U.S. can support its own human rights record. Wait till the U.S. start actually giving the inmates a trial. Wait until the U.S ratifies the International Court so it can be held internationally responsible for its "interrogation tactics". Wait until the U.S. starts placing the blame of Abu Ghraib where it actually lies.

Once the U.S. can start showing a clean bill, then by all means kick their ass ( because this sort of human rights abuse is reprehensible) Until then , shut the hell up.


And stop talking about "backward societies". How dare you presume that just because their system is different, they are backward? YOu mean to tell me that the U.S doesn't violate human rights? You mean to tell me that your legal system doesn't get exploited by the high and mighty? you mean to tell me that you don't have violent crime? you mean to tell me that you don't have indigenous terrorism (oklahoma???)? you mean to tell me that U.S. forces have never slaughtered innocents? You mean to tell me that there is no discrimination in the U.S.? You mean to tell me that drug abuse? You mean to tell me that you don't have right wing ultra-conservative violent christians? You mean to tell me that the FBI has never arrested an innocent man?

While there exists such an atmosphere of unjustified moral superiority, the U.S. is nevergoing to establish anything close to a stable international image, because everything the U.S. does, EVEN if its to the ADVANTAGE of another country, will always taste of hegemony and imperialism, and nonbody likes that.

The U.S. constitution is a brilliant piece of work, and i believe that most nations in the world would do better if they applied some of its basic tenets.
But so would the U.S. So start working on that and then you can bitch about these "backward" countries later.