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Old 04-16-2006, 07:26 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Denying gay couples the right to call their union a marriage is governmental interference with people's personal value system. It is denying these people the right to be who they believe they are.
The government has always placed restrictions upon people's personal value system. There is not right for a rapist to rape, although that may be his preferred method of sexual gratification. Adults cannot have sex with children althought that may be their preferred method of sexual gratification. The government has always placed restrictions upon individual activities that have gone against the mainstream mores.

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perhaps that is the official stance. But you are not gonna get far in the U.Ss if you are a conservative muslim. You better be a W.A.S.P. or else.
And that is why Colin Powell became the first African-American Secretary of State, right, what a great example of a W.A.S.P., or Condeleeza Rice the National Security Advisor and now Secretary of State, another fine example of W.A.S.P.. Not to mention Alberto Gonazalez, Linda Chavez, or private individuals like Dinesh D'Souza and Star Parker. Yeah the facts really support your claim on that one.

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What FOX does is censorship of the truth. Every thing on FOX is told from a VERY subjective viewpoint which makes the viewer feel that if he does not agree he is going to hell. Figuaratively speaking. there is a defacto censorship as anybody not towing the republican party line is called unamerican and is subjected to a variety of abuse and slander e.g Bill O'Reilly and his ridiculous rants.
Once again you do not even understand what censorship means and you try to argue the point. Censorship is the suppression of published or broadcast material. Only a government can censor. Individuals who are called names or talked over can share opinions on MSNBC or CNN where they would be welcomed with open arms. FOX may have a conservative bent, however, the power to suppress someone is limited, for there are other avenues for these individuals to have their opinions heard. Only the government has the ability through the force of the law to suppress someone. Do not confuse censorship with freedom of association or even more basic choice. FOX does not have to allow anyone the right to speak on their network, they have the option and decision making ability to determine who does and does not appear.

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Drug use is not the cause of crime poverty and prostitution. It is a symptom just like the aforementioned of the complete and utter disregard of the rights of the common man. If people are unemployed, sick, poor and disenfranchised of COURSE they are going to resort to crime, prostituion and drug dealing to ward off povery and hunger. The war on drugs is nothing more that a surface cleaning that the republican party can present as an "achievement". It is NOTHING as it does not deal with the root cause. The root cause is that the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer.
And why is that??? It was the great idea of the progressives in this country to establish a welfare society, yet lo and behold, to qualify you could not have a job, you could not be married, and you couldn't try to better yourself. We created a system that rewarded risque behavior. Anytime someone can make more money from a welfare program than working, the system is wrong. WE created a never ending circle of governmental dependency, and when those of us who were working hard to support our families and pay are bills got tired we fought back and demanded more of our own money, and less handouts.

There are some simple facts that remain regradless of what the government tries to do to combat them, they include, if you abuse or use drugs or alcohol you are four times more likely to live in poverty, if you are a single parent household you have are more than 9 times more likely to live in poverty than a two-parent home. If you drop out of high-school you are 22 times more likely to live in poverty. All of these actions are the result of governmental programs that were created to help the poor. Welfare and public schools. Alcohol and drug use is a choice. If life too hard for you to make it, and you choose to do drugs and alcohol rather than face reality that is your choice.

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Patriot Act is a denial of civil liberties. Gitmo is a denial of civil liberties. Just because the nuts in Gitmo aint U.S citizens does not mean that they are not worthy of civil rights.
So which is it, rights or liberties. We recognize that there are basic human rights that all people have naturally. Liberties are those that have been established by our Constitution for our citizens and need not always apply to all other individuals. GITMO is a detention facility that is being used to house enemy combatants and prisoners of war. Do not confuse these detainees with criminals, because they are not. The Geneva convention allows the holding of these prisoners until the end of hostilities. Since hostilies have not ended, they are still being held. It is that simple. For most there it has not even been three years that they have been detained, a far cry short of the some 7 years that some of our POWs were held in Vietnam.

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Iraq is not your country so don't decide for 24 million people what is best for them. Besides all these things that we know were crappy things existing in Iraq are DOUBLY enforced is Saudi Arabia. Iraq was the first middle eastern country to give women the vote. It was the most progressive in terms of womens rights of ALL middle eastern countries. Religious freedom was most cvertianly also better than saudi arabia since it seems that shias and sunnis avoided massacring each other on a regular basis. that is until the U.S. decided to come in and "liberate".
U.S ally saudi arabia is a completely male dominated dictatorial theocracy with incidents such as publics beheading, lashings and choppings. Why not invade them?
We pressure our allies through other means than we do our enemies. I am sure that the women enjoyed their rights in Iraq under Saddam Hussein, including their right to be raped by Uday or Qusay, or did you conveniently forget about that right, or what about their right to be imprisoned for being married to someone opposed to Saddam, that must have slipped your mind too. It was one thing to say you support the rights of everyone to be free, and quite another to actually mean it.

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Hitlar went beyond his own borders and had done so for several years before the U.S went in . The first Gulf war was justified. Iraq invaded Kuwait. Exactly who did they invade this time? What weapons did they have? what basic tenet of freedom and democracy did Iraq violate that is not still being violated by U.S. allies in the middle east? Attacking hitler was justified because he was screwing with all of europe. you can not compare normandy to baghdad this time round.
Liberation from oppression and tryanny is the same all the time. Whether it be because of a rulers invasion of another country, or his abuse of power at home. Are we to only liberate those countries that have been invaded? Furthermore, seventeen UN security council resolutions were violated by Iraq, 17, this alone nullifies the cease fire of the first Gulf War end of hostitilies. So many seem to forget that part of the cease fire included compliance by Iraq of UN resolutions, well 17 were violated, that is exactly 16 more than necessary to resume hostilities.

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And PLEASE dude. I think it is pretty evident from history that peace can not be FORCED. Forced peace is subjugation. Real peace is created by ensuring everybody gets their rights.
Really, forced peace cannot work? Germany, Italy, and Japan seem like pretty good examples, but then again what's a little history to the truth.

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Again dude, living on past glory is sadder than having no past glory to speak of. It is completely and UTTERLY irrelevant what the GOP did in decades past. What is important is what they are doing now. Saddam was member of the Baath party which ousted a dictatorial ruler. it was a fair revolution. But wht Saddam duid afterwards was crazy and it completely nullified the fairness of the revolution. Just like the actions of the GOP NOW completely nullifies its record on civil liberties.
At least the party does have past glory to be proud of having. Unlike our major opposition who have benefitted from this what have you done for me lately attitude of the current generation. What actions of the GOP have exactly done that, all you have provided was a bunch of rhetoric just like the talking heads on television. Provide details, provide specifics, just cause you say it doesn't make it so. Just because you have been told to believe it does not make it so. If the patriot act violates civil liberties, than so does RICO, not to mention every other law that stops criminal behavior, so lets just scrap them all.

Part of civil liberties is economic liberty. Republicans have fought to allow people to keep more of the money they earn rather than pay it in taxes. The democrats have talked about repealling the tax cuts and then have the nerve to lie and say that it is not a tax increase. Wake up, if you are paying 12% in taxes now, and it then goes back to the original 15% that is an increase of 3%, a tax raise.

Republicans have said let's privatize Social Security so that the people own their own retirement accounts, the democrats have fought it. The current system reverts to the government when you die unless your wife and children qualify, but once they no longer meet the requirements, the money belongs to the government.

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Conservatism, I repeat is not an ideology. It does not breed fanatics....But if you want men who seek, reasonably and prudently, to reconcile the best in wisdom of our ancestors with the change which is essential to a vigorous civil social existence, then you will do well to turn to conservative principles
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