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Originally Posted by hevusa Right. It is not the responsibility of the government to make sure you can afford to have a family. It is the government's responsibility to make sure your employer is doing exactly that. With the minimum wage at what it is our government is simply failing, especially since no health care is provided for our citizens (how old fashioned can you get?!?). A flat tax will do nothing but exacerbate these problems.
Currently the top 10% earn about 90% of this country's wealth. Ludicrous! | See there you go again. It is not government's responsibility to guarantee your pay, it is your responsibility to negotiate for what wages you will earn. That means that you should actually take the time to find out what you are good at, and what skills you have so that you can make those negotiations. If you are unwilling, then why should people who work hard to improve themselves, go to school, go to college, or develop there skills working on the job have to pay for you own laziness. Wealth is not a fixed body. America is the first country to ever have the phrase, make money. Wealth grows, the problem that the rich have more and the poor have less is thanks to our system of wealth redistribution through taxes. Our current welfare system, the one you says that helps to fight poverty, does not allow for savings and investing. In order to stay on the program and receive benefits, one cannot save to improve themselves. It seems to me that the government is actually keeping people poor.
Everyone who reviews the statistics on poverty makes the same conclusions. The statistics do not include handouts. Nowhere in the numbers for the people who are "living in poverty" are rents subsidies, food stamps, aid to dependent children included. Even in looking at the elderly, the figures do not adjust for the fact that many own their own homes and no longer have rent/mortgage payments. If I am saving $800 a month because I do not have a mortgage payment, I have that money to spend on other items. The numbers are a joke. Our definitions of poverty in this country are a joke. And the fact that people are unwilling to work hard but rather demand government give them a handout is a joke.
It is not the rich that are causing the problems, its the fact that the government needs to keep people poor so they can justify the need for the programs. Some 7 trillion dollars later, we have more people in poverty than when the Great Society began. It has been a dismal failure, the war on poverty!!!! Where's the exit strategy??? Iraq has been going on for 3 years, and everyone is demanding an exit strategy, well the war on poverty has been going on for 40 plus years. Get us out of that one, and before demanding the end to the war in Iraq. Quote: |
Originally Posted by hevusa Here we go with the denial again. NOTHING... and I mean NOTHING is going to stop the millions of years of procreation we have driving our existence, no matter how much we try to use religion to oppress it. Children will happen, not always to the best situation. So we as a society can either ignore this fact and provide nothing for them like we are doing. Or we can eliminate far worse future issues and provide assistance from birth to adulthood. This would solve larger social issues and ultimately cost us less in the long run and the resulting citizen would provide a better return for society. | Again, it is not I living in denial. I am 37 and have no children. Why?? Because I have made sure to be safe in having sex, and believe me, having spent 11 years in the Army I have had plenty of opportunity. Yet I found the way and the time to make sure that all my fun times were in the end safe. (see I ain't that ultra-conservative/ultra-religious fanatic)
People need to take responsibility for their own actions and quit making me pay for their irresponsibility. If society has a responsibility to people who seem to constantly act irresponsibly, then we also have the right to demand some sort of responsibility from them. They are a part of society as well, yet they fail to take any responsibility. Quote: |
Originally Posted by hevusa This isn't a matter of how good anything feels. This is a matter of the reality of our society. For every non action there is an opportunity lost. | [/quote]
Yes and for every action there is a reaction and a consequence. And this is where you lose your argument. It is not a matter of society's lack of action, but rather the lack of responsibility for their own actions. The Tuskegee Airman had a saying, "Straighten up and Fly Right." Well, its about time we demand at least that from them, instead of making excuses that keep them constantly poor.
dmk Conservatism, I repeat is not an ideology. It does not breed fanatics....But if you want men who seek, reasonably and prudently, to reconcile the best in wisdom of our ancestors with the change which is essential to a vigorous civil social existence, then you will do well to turn to conservative principles
-Russell Kirk- |