hkbajwa, before I go on to address your second post...you asked in your first post what is the point of having a gun unless you insist on killing the other person?
Answer: you may just wish to incapacitate him/her. Shooting someone in the leg or some other place away from important internal organs is done frequently with that result in mind.
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Originally Posted by hkbajwa I have a slight addition ..
It seems that nobody in the US can imagine a life without arms of various kinds being an integral part of it. maybe not something to have at home, but definately something out and about in society, working either for or against you.
Would it not be a relief to know that they weren't there? that way they may not protect you, but at least you wouldn't be worried about getting shot. Its a oretty crappy fear to have.
You say that guns can not be eliminated. i say they can and they HAVE been eliminated in most of europe and canada too ( bowling for columbine information). Not saying that guns don't exists, but it seems that they CAN be legislated without endangering the lives of the wider population at risk from armed burglars and the likes. |
Michael Moore has minimized his own credibility so I would prefer to look at another source of info. I do know that Switzerland promotes the ownership of a gun in each household to defend it, for example.
In any case, the pink elephant in the room that you are not talking about is this: law abiding citizens would be the ones with no guns. Those others would have them.
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equally importantly, so would the government.
That was the whole point of the Second Amendment. "Militias" were not just to defend households from burglars. They were to defend the freedoms established for all people in this country.
Think about this:
Our nation's documents urge us to overthrow our own government if it treads upon certain basic delineated freedoms.
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That is quite a mouthful in a national document (can't tell you which document at the moment but I could look for it).
Now...
supposing the government had grown very powerful and did not wish to be overthrown?
How would we the people overthrow it?
How would we bring it to an end and reestablish 'government by the consent of the governed'
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Particularly when the governing body HAD guns and the people did not?
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Originally Posted by hkjabwa The US doesn't need guns. But somebody has convinced you all that you are playing with your life if you don't have one.. |
I have a gun. My husband sometimes has to travel. Let's suppose I hear a noise; the window breaks, and I hear a heavy footstep.
Do I let this guy proceed and rape me and maybe kill me?
Do I grab a knife and hope that my strength will prevail against his in a fight for this knife(miraculously since I weigh 101 lbs) ?
My desire to have a gun is NOT the product of someone having convinced me. It is my opinion of what is the best option to protect myself and my children.
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Originally Posted by hkjabwa If only that changed, you would see the futility of guns. They don't actually serve the purpose for which you acquire them. |
See above; they serve
exactly the purpose for which I acquired them.
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Originally Posted by hkjabwa YOu may have a gun and never been robbed, mugged etc etc.. But i never owned a gun and i never had anything like this happen to me either. now you decide.. am i normal or just lucky? |
In most locations it is the exception rather than the rule to be the victim of a violent crime...which is terrific unless you happen to turn into one of those 'exceptions'.
Please don't think I am just dismissing everything you say, out of hand; I'm not. You make some good points and I can see that you have good intentions.
But any political entity trying to disarm private citizens immediately calls forth my suspicion. They might have intentions quite other than yours.