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Originally Posted by Lidwen Wraith Is that what you've been told? Because I know other women who have gotten abortions and they did not go through the living hell you are describing. Some of them even said they felt great. | Yeah i agree that people react differently. But even those that felt great, probably did so because a burden being lifted. Not because the process of an abortion felt good. Quote: |
Originally Posted by Lidwen Wraith The last resort? Oh, you mean like when a person just can't STAND the idea of being pregnant or giving up the baby to a loving pair of adoptive parents? | Honestly.. I would rather have a girlfriend have an abortion than have her give up a child. In any case how can any one of us evaluate whether a mother is getting an abortion to keep a child out of misery or whether she's doing it because she doesn't want her butt to get fat.... Quote: |
Originally Posted by Lidwen Wraith Correct: the legal right... because of a judicial fiat about which the people of this country were not allowed to vote. Please see the Tenth Amendment; Roe is a legal decision so sloppy that even Ruth Bader-Ginsburg admitted it. | The problem is that nobody is qualified to speak for unborn foetuses. So anti abortionists only speak from the they believe is right. Not from the standpoint of actually KNOWING what the foetus wants. Why does their personal belief supersede the personal belief of somebody who wants an abortion. Enforcing personal belief upon other equal members of the state... is that not against the constitution? Quote: |
Originally Posted by Lidwen Wraith There is only one thing these two issues have in common - the fact that they both became legally accessible in the mid-twentieth century. Other than that they have nothing so it is only muddling the issue to conflate them. | What they do have in common is that they afford the right of the involved parties to establish their own personal belief and behave according to them. Quote: |
Originally Posted by Lidwen Wraith Straw man alert.
No one has said that no woman is allowed an abortion. Even the Catholic Church allows abortion in the cases of ectopic pregnancy or cancer of the uterus. And certainly in the minds of most prolifers there are additional health conditions that justify abortion.
Second, there is no "vague notion of a murdered pre-baby". There is the concrete fact of a developing fetus who undergoes a deliberate killing. | So abortion is ok in certain cases. Who decides what these cases are? Can a court decidce whether a teenage girl is capable of handling the raising of a child? Just an example. The point is not what is right and wrong. the point is that nobody is more qualified to make a decision about having an abortion other than the mother herself. This is not a matter of enforcing abortion on women that we deem incapable of motherhood. Its about accepting that we can't decide what is right and wrong in her case and therefore she must choose herself.. and live with that choice. Love for all, Hatred for none |