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Originally Posted by hkbajwa Yeah i agree that people react differently. But even those that felt great, probably did so because a burden being lifted. Not because the process of an abortion felt good. |
I never for one moment said that abortion felt good. What I AM doing is arguing against this portrait you try to paint of every abortion being a matter of tormented white knuckled soul searching for the woman.
It just is not true, particularly now that abortion is so easy.
Many,
many people tend to think something is morally alright once the law says it is legal.
That is unequivocally the case with elective abortion.
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Originally Posted by hkjabwa Honestly.. I would rather have a girlfriend have an abortion than have her give up a child. |
You would rather that your flesh and blood be exterminated than to have them grow up in someone else's care? Interesting.
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Originally Posted by hkjabwa In any case how can any one of us evaluate whether a mother is getting an abortion to keep a child out of misery or whether she's doing it because she doesn't want her butt to get fat.... |
1. Misery? You mean the misery of most adopted children? Please show me evidence that the majority of depressed persons and suicides are adopted people. Because I know two adopted people who are as happy as anyone can be.
That misery excuse is palaver, hkbajwa.
2. Fat butt from having children? I see Biology 101 has failed another abortion advocate...a fat butt is either in your genes or it is not. You don't get one from having children.
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Originally Posted by hkbajwa The problem is that nobody is qualified to speak for unborn foetuses. So anti abortionists only speak from the they believe is right. Not from the standpoint of actually KNOWING what the foetus wants. |
No offense but this is ludicrous. Of course it is "right" not to kill another human being except in self defense. You mention our not knowing what the fetus wants? Can you actually be contending here that feti wish to be killed?
I must disagree,
and apparently so must M. Gandhi, who said that all living beings from the most unaware up to the most aware... want to stay alive.
It just shows me how backed into a corner the proponents of elective abortion are, that they would actually try telling us that the fetus might want to be killed.
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Originally Posted by hkjabwa Why does their personal belief supersede the personal belief of somebody who wants an abortion. Enforcing personal belief upon other equal members of the state... is that not against the constitution? |
Yes, so maybe we should rescind all laws against murder, rape and pederasty too. After all, we would not want to enforce our personal beliefs on others who don't agree.
Right, hkjabwa?
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Originally Posted by hkjabwa What they do have in common is that they afford the right of the involved parties to establish their own personal belief and behave according to them. |
If divorce and elective abortion can be conflated on those grounds, then to be consistent you would also have to include murder, rape and pederasty as I mentioned just previously.
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Originally Posted by hkjabwa So abortion is ok in certain cases. Who decides what these cases are? Can a court decidce whether a teenage girl is capable of handling the raising of a child? Just an example. . |
Has nothing to do with a teenage girl: teenage girls often give up the baby or get colossal help from relatives.
YES abortion is regrettably necessary in certain cases...who decides? How about the law which applies to everyone else: no killing except in self defense?
That okay with you?
If the baby - through no fault of his own - is threatening the life or grave health of the mother...then and only then should it be legal for his life to be taken.