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Originally Posted by Friendindeed hkbajwa your friend seems to think that your reply to the post I sent him was *well said* and I guess he would have to appreciate anything that saved him from having to make another lame answer for himself. But all I see is that you forgot to address my point.
That would only be true if it was a case of one life vs. another life. Which it is when abortion is done for medical reasons.
But abortion on demand is a case of the life of one vs. the preference of another.
And as far as citizenship, that's the weakest argument I've heard yet. Does that mean you think we should be able to kill illegal immigrants since they are *non citizens*? | Not saying it is right to kill non-citizens. What i am defining however is the government's responsibility. As far as i understand the government's responsibility is for the welfare of it's citizens no? ANy interference with non-citizens in the US is done for the protection of the citizens yes? Same difference should be applied to feti too. The government is responsible for the welfare of it's living citizen. Not trying to interfere with the relationship of a citizen with a non-citizen. Can you be tried in america for a murder you committed outside the country ( i don't know about that but i'm curious)? Quote: |
Originally Posted by Friendindeed Stealing is considered immoral by some people and not by others. So if what you say is true, where did anyone get the right to make a law against it? | Again, morality is not the basis for legislation against stealing and murder of living citizens. The basis is that a smooth system of interaction has to be maintained. It's systemic legislation, not moral. Quote: |
Originally Posted by Friendindeed Ridiculous. If anybody gets abused it is those who are standiing up for the voiceless.
Why don't you point out an example of where I or any other prolife person accused any of you of harboring evil intents toward the fetus. | Dear friend, while you may not have abused pro-choice suporters personally i think it is evident that pro-lifers spend a lot more time talking about the immorality of pro-choicers. The morality card is always thrown by the pro-lifers. And it's all about how evil it is to take away the right to life of feti. I am not saying your moral outrage is unjustified. I AM however saying that it is not a basis for argument, nor is it a reason to paint pro-choicers as cold inhuman beings. Quote: |
Originally Posted by Friendindeed If that is what you want so much, I continue to wonder why you are not trying to turn around the many laws in this country which interfere with *individual rights of choice* when it comes to stealing, murder of born persons, and every other issue on which people have various differing moralities.
Rights of choice end where the next individual begins. In the case of abortion, that individual begins real close. | Again morality is not the basis of legislation against such acts. Stealing i snot illegal because it's "bad" or "evil" . It is so because it disrupts the system of interaction between individual members of society. That is why the laws must be there. A child in the womb is not a member of society and that is exactly why the government can not legislate for it. Quote: |
Originally Posted by Friendindeed I'm waiting for you to show me ONE instance where I *bashed morality*. You won't find it. So if you're tired of anything, maybe it's your conscience getting to you. | Well i'm happy to see that you are right. You have not bashed morality in our heads at all. But maybe that is also why you have little or no argument against choice.
Choice does not mean definate abortion. It means that the supreme authority in the life/death scenario is the mother and not a legislative bench filled with outsiders. It's a matter of WHO makes the choice. Not what the choice IS. A legislative bench can make the wrong choice too. So when fallibility is built into the system, isn't it more fair to let the choice go to the person who knows more about the situation than anybody else? Love for all, Hatred for none |