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Originally Posted by Jefferson Fair enough.
However, comparing the current United States to the middle-East debacle is rather fallacious.
Also, there will NEVER be an end to the "that used to be our land" argument. Some of the Native American Indians that were "run off their land" when the White Man came, had annihilated and run off different tribe shortly before the White man arrived. So WHICH Native American Indians did the land really belong to?
In addition, in real life you cannot simply hit "reset" and start over - especially when dealing with whole nations, races, religions and people groups. Part of the reason is that you will NEVER reach a consensus concerning what "point in history" you revert to.
But you're right - the Muslims need to move on. They need to become peaceful if they're ever to be taken seriously. And the Palestinians need to start behaving as humans before they demand to be treated as humans. Terrorism will NEVER bring peace. Ever. | I think it's great that we agree that the "we used to own this" argument is not a valid reason.
Much antipathy against the west stems precisely from this unfair justification for the creation of Israel.
Regarding palestinian behaviour. Look one day you have your own country. the next day suddenly you are subject to an outsider. You say that they should not get violent. Can you honestly tell me that YOU would not get this violent if some other nation suddenly came and claimed your country? Are you telling me that you would sit back and behave? are you telling me that you would wait until the occupier allows you before you do anything??
Don't judge the palestinian behaviour when you cannot claim to behave ANY better if you were in the same situation.
Still the violence should stop, but a first step in that direction would be the acceptance of their democratically elected government. I mean can you not understand the anger and fury? They elected hamas fair and square. Who the hell is the US or ANYBODY else to say that it's not good enough?
If the elected palestinian party does not accept the existence of Israel that is a PROBLEM. But as elected representatives, of a sovereign nationthey are ALLOWED to do so. Pakistan does not accept Israel. You don't see the US disregarding president musharraf because of that.
The international community has an obligation to accept the fairly elected government. and THEN they should employ means other than fiscal bullying to convince the government to change it's stance.
Once the palestinians feel they are being represented, they can stop the violence. But not until they stop feeling fucked over. Love for all, Hatred for none |