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Originally Posted by Jefferson First of all, as Alias pointed out, it's a tough stretch to prove that the Geneva Conventions apply to these detainees. You can deny that, but it's still FACT. |
The Geneva Convention applies.
Alias "pointed out" some things, but then he demonstrated that he can't even answer simple questions about what the Geneva Convention says in the first place.
These people ARE COVERED under the Geneva Convention. Even if we assume they aren't "prisoners of war", there are other aspects of the convention that DO COVER them.
And I ask you...
HOW can we declare "war" on a group, and then have ever "prisoner" that we detain in association with that war be incapable of qualifying as a "prisoner of war"?
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Originally Posted by Jefferson Second, you might as well admit this truth: Even if EVERY one of them was tried publicly, and it was PROVEN that they were terrorists, YOU would simply move on to something else to cry-baby about, concerning the Bush Administration. |
The point being that there are multiple things that are screwed up about the Bush administration?
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Originally Posted by Jefferson Even if it was PROVEN that Bush had a genius IQ, people like you would still call him a dumb-ass. |
Have you ever listened to the man talk?
Seriously. Just LISTEN to him talk. LISTEN to his comments.
He's not a "genius". Far from it...
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Originally Posted by Jefferson Even if it was PROVEN that there were WMDs in Iraq, people of your ilk would still call it an illegal occupation. |
From my personal perspective? No. I wouldn't.
I personally supported the invasion of Iraq when it started under the belief that they had WMDs. My partner wasn't convinced, and he reminds me occasionally that he was right where I blindly believed Bush.
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Originally Posted by Jefferson And that is PRECISELY why you're not taken seriously. You blind Bush-hatred has rendered you illogical. |
I have never understood the "Bush-hater" line of defense.
If ALL we were saying was "we hate Bush", then yeah. Nothing of merit.
But when YOU SUMMARIZE our arguments as just "we hate Bush", that isn't an argument...
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Originally Posted by Jefferson Third, you really do NOT know much about what is going on at Gitmo. Nor do I. You can jump to your conclusions, and I could jump to mine - if I so choose. |
Quite frankly, I think the point should be more along the lines that SOME THIRD PARTY SHOULD know what is going on in Gitmo.
The actions inside the walls have been soooo squirrelled away from public view that it isn't rationale. The abuse in the military of situations like this has ALREADY BEEN SEEN.
And the leader of the military is fighting to keep TORTURE LEGAL???
Come ON now.
That's gotta at least raise a modicum of concern...
To me, I think the issue shouldn't revolve around "why should we..."
The issue SHOULD revolve around "Why shouldn't Bush have to respect these simple and civilized rules of conduct?"
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