Thread: What Punishment Would Be Appropriate To Which Crime?
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Old 01-18-2007, 06:12 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Jaxian View Post
The mother you speak of seeks revenge. Cruelty does not justify cruelty, and a criminal's crimes do not justify us in delivering whatever punishment we feel like.

I do not question that sexual abuse interferes with the mental state of the victim. But it seems to me that jail time fractures the criminal's life a lot more than rape fractures the victim's life. Considering that, prison seems like a strong, fair punishment. To take the extra step of permanently removing body parts from the criminal is an unnecessarily cruel act, which goes above and beyond the suffering of the victim, and which goes above and beyond reasonable punishment.

I may have a tough time convincing the mother of this. But then again, I may have a tough time convincing her that the criminal should not be tortured and executed. The mother is bound to be angry, but anger shouldn't cloud our better judgement.
Jaxian! This: "I do not question that sexual abuse interferes with the mental state of the victim. But it seems to me that jail time fractures the criminal's life a lot more than rape fractures the victim's life."
It is seems to me!!! And have you ever been either a perp incarcerated or a victim of a crime of sexual abuse?
It seems to you???
Oh my goodness Jaxian. First you rewrite the purpose of the courts and try to construe the word "justice" as a dirty word! Now you say that a villain suffers more than a victim if they are incarcerated?
I hope you can see from the amount of time I have been a member here, that I really do not get ruffled easily, but I am gonna just tell you, You have ruffled me with that!
I am going to have to say this to you: What bubble are you living in???
A mother has every right to be angry, as does the victim. Anger is even an essential part of the healing process.
Anger is not clouding the judgment of someone who seeks justice. But maudlin sentiments have surely clouded the judgment of anyone who puts the focus of his sympathies with the perp! Without a measure of justice, there is no chance for reform. And one victim is exponentially added to by the criminal's conclusion that he got away with it!
You have no idea how lives are wrecked in the wake of sexual abuse, apparently.

Oh and while I find it necessary to point out your incredulous statements, what dear Jaxian the heck is this: "But it seems to me that jail time fractures the criminal's life a lot more than rape fractures the victim's life. Considering that, prison seems like a strong, fair punishment"...are you marking a distinction between jail and prison and saying that jail is worse than prison? How absurd is that!!!

Forgiveness is something that benefits the victim. When a victim can forgive the victim is made better to a certain degree. And forgiveness is a personal responsibility. The courts are not established to be a voice for the spirit of the individual but an arm to strengthen the community and hand down right mandates to punish and correct those who offend the safety and well being of others.

Jaxian, again, what bubble are you living in?

OD