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Old 01-23-2007, 04:28 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by tyreay View Post
I did some research and found out that the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is part of the Department of the Interior Bureaus! The DOI is run by Dirk Kempthorne:
Bush names Idaho Gov. Kempthorne interior secretary
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Bush picked Idaho Gov. Dirk Kempthorne on Thursday to be his new interior secretary, selecting a pro-development Western Republican to push for more oil and gas drilling from the Gulf of Mexico to Alaska's North Slope.
Read the article here:
USATODAY.com - Bush names Idaho Gov. Kempthorne interior secretary

It turns out that DOI manages 68% of our nations gas and of our nations gas and oil reserves.


Kempthorne May Offer Areas in North Aleutian Basin, Central Gulf of Mexico for Leasing; Increases Royalty Rate for Offshore Oil and Gas Leases
Read this article here:
U.S. Department of the Interior - News Release -Kempthorne May Offer Areas in North Aleutian Basin, Central Gulf of Mexico for Leasing; Increases Royalty Rate for Offshore Oil and Gas Leases
The areas were withdrawn from consideration for leasing through 2012 by President Bill Clinton in 1998. By modifying that Presidential withdrawal to remove these two areas, President Bush’s action allows the Secretary of the Interior the option of offering these areas during the Minerals Management Service’s next five-year OCS oil and gas leasing program (2007-2012).

“Both OCS areas – one in the North Aleutian Basin of Alaska, known as Bristol Bay, and the other in the Central Gulf of Mexico – would receive thorough environmental reviews,” Kempthorne said. “There will be significant opportunities for study and public comment before any oil and gas development could take place in these areas.”
More information, including a fact sheet, maps of the areas and the President's memorandum, on this is at: Minerals Management Service Home Page

Thanks for point this out to me as I actual thought congress had some say in what went on at the DOI. I have learned something. I have learned that as soon as Kempthorne took control he attempted to hide the truth, by removing the link I posted from the Fish and Game Service. It is totally apparent that Bush didn't like the ecological facts the Fish and Game people were sharing will the public. Can you say Greed and Corruption,,,,,AGAIN?
Yet the fact of the matter remains, that the action Congress is taking is in regards to contract negotiated under the Clinton Department of Interior, for they were negotiated in 1998, not in 2001. There was no attempt to hide any truth. All one has to do is look at any government website and one will see that after a time, certain items, studies, and news releases are archived. The same held true here. Nor do you ever mention that the same arguments being used today were used when Prudhoe Bay and the Alaskan pipeline were first being debated. Those arguments were proven false and extreme then, and today there is no difference.

Furthermore, like so many you ignore the fact that improvements in technology and exploration have led to safer methods of removing oil from the ground, coupled with the desire of companies to restore to balance the environment when they are finished with their endeavors.

Instead of having the question placed into the hands of the people who will be involved in the drilling, instead it remains left to politicians, who on one side have the oil industry that supports them, and on the other side those who have the environmental industry.

I believe that under the topic of ANWR regarding the bill that would forever ban drilling, I submitted a link to the page of the people who actually live in the area under question. The same people who have stated through their site the fact that the people from the oil industry have remained willing to work with them and have shown a concern for their issues and well-being, whereas, those who oppose drilling, have not once cared about them or their thoughts. Sometimes environmentalists seem to forget that the human species is a part of the environment.

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As for the Polar bear, we both know they'll be in the endangered species list within 6 months. Soon to follow will be the walrus.
This is from your DOI's own website as is most of the info in this post:
BOISE, Idaho) – Secretary of the Interior Dirk Kempthorne today announced the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is proposing to list the polar bear as a threatened species under the Endangered Species Act and initiating a comprehensive scientific review to assess the current status and future of the species.
The Service will use the next 12 months to gather more information, undertake additional analyses, and assess the reliability of relevant scientific models before making a final decision whether to list the species.
Read the full Story:
U.S. Department of the Interior - News Release - Interior Secretary Kempthorne Announces Proposal to List Polar Bears as Threatened Under Endangered Species Act
Again, the polar bear would become a protected species and not an endangered one. However, with any investigation, the facts have to come in and we will see if the scientific models are correct, or whether those who actually live in the area and understand the environment are correct. On the one hand the models say the polar bear is in trouble, and on the other, they say the polar bear is increasing.....Model or actual observation?????

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I agree we this:
The answer is alternate energy not domestic oil. I mean, it's it apparent that, in the long run, pumping all that oil out of the ground and converting it into CO2 to pump into the our air is doing far more damage to humans' and our inter-connected eco-systems, than it will do to help them.
Wind. Water. Solar. Biofuels. This is what these companies should do with the money they want to spend drilling. All the big oil companies must be run by a bunch of pussies that want to make the sure buck at any cost to human and animal life and the biggest profits possible!
All major auto manufacturers offer forms of hybrid engines. The studying of alternative fuels is also being conducted. However, a company also must weigh in with a Cost/Benefit analysis. Unfortunately at this time, the costs outweigh the benefits. What point does it make for a manufacturer to make a product that average people cannot afford. Until such time as the cost of these alternatives become reasonable they will not be produced. Not everyone can afford the price tag of the $90,000 electric sports car. So are we to say those who can't should not have an auto???? So much for sentencing the poor to more poverty, all to say the environment.

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