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Originally Posted by hkbajwa  Well this hysteria against communism is nothing but a leftover from yesteryear's propoganda against the USSR. I bet you don't actually know anything of what Marx wrote about, nor of the core concept of communism. I would NEVER want to live in a nation like the USSR, but no socialist today would ever defend the USSR because it was a twisted implementation of a good concept. SO point number 1 is that communism is not synonymous with the USSR. |
It is not about yesteryears propoganda, but rather yesteryear's history. How many people died in the name of the so-called workers paradise??? Stalin and Lenin have some 100,000,000 lives on their hands, and they were not just the rich, but many were the very workers that communism itself tends to glorify. Marx wrote that history is revolution and that capitalism was just another stage in history that following revolution would lead to communism. Marx believed not in the power of the individual but rather the power of the group. Marx believed that the workers would unite and overthrow the owner.
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Originally Posted by hkbajwa
I GLADLY give 50% of my income in taxes to ensure:
1) My education and helathcare needs are met
2) My family gets the education and healthcare they need
3) I can always make enough money to survive if i work ( trust me, unemployment benefits are just not enough to live properly.. but they are enough to ensure that nobody gets screwed over )
4) My family will have the same life chances as one with lots of money in their background
5) Those around me who do not have the same ability and drive that i do are taken care of. I cannot feel good about MY success if i have people around me living in squalor ( and i don't care how they fucked up.. humans are humans and i need to feel that i do what i can ).
I mean isn't that why i'm trying to make money in the first place.. to ensure the above?
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First let me say this, I work in the healthcare field, which means my life is surrounded by death, disease, pain, sickness, and grief. To deal with this I have for the most part turned off the majority of my emotions, meaning I do not empathize nor do I sympathize. Basically I am a cold-blood, sonofabitch.
So why in the hell would I want to give 50% of my money to the government so that not only I have a place to live, healthcare, and my basic needs but so would someone who is not as willing to work as hard as me. I work my ass off and I take pride in the work that I do. And I willing pay my insurance premiums so that I can have my healthcare coverage, I willing pay myself first so that I can have a retirement. I work an second job in the summer so that I can have extra money to vacation, and buy big toys (big screen TV, pick-up truck). And I am taking a risk in starting my own business. I don't ask anybody for help, I do it on my own, taking chances, making decisions, making choices, and risking what I own. I do it because I have the balls to grab myself by the bootlaces and put myself in the best position possible. None of it is hard to do, except for making the right choices and that is what kills some many others. I am 30 something years old, I have no children, I don't spend my time running around fucking every woman I can to please myself and then complain because I have kids. Sometimes personal responsiblity can be a bitch. But you know what, thanks to the so-called safety nets in place it has severely reduced the consequences of not have self-restraint. If you do not wish to be and act responsibly, why in the fuck should I make up for your misgivings.
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Originally Posted by hkbajwa It is a fallacy that money given to the government is mis spent. True it IS misspent when it is used by carreer politicians who need financial support to get re-elected. It is also frequently wasted based on stupid decisions. But the FACT is that these are ADMINISTRATIVE issues. If you can trust the government to spend your dollars on a ridiculous and ill planned war, then i fail to understand why it is assumed that money scheduled for health care will be spent in a worse manner. |
Just look at the education system. For every dollar of tax money spent, only 38 cents makes it to the classroom meaning the teachers and students. 62 cents, almost two-thirds is eaten up by the bureaucracy. That is why I know that government management of healthcare will be the same. I also now because I have to deal with medicaid and medicare, and if you think that the insurance companies and HMOs are corrupt, you ain't seen nothing yet.
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Originally Posted by hkbajwa Sure its good to have people innovative enoughto get rich. Of course you also have people who are CROOKED enoughto get rich.. Or those who already have money which they spend to make MORE money by OUTSOURCING or CUTBACKS or by lobbying to influence legislation in favor of their BUSINESS rather than in favor of the COMMON MAN. |
And you have the so-called COMMON MAN who finds that it is easier to sit at home and receive government handouts rather than work. The same COMMON MAN that will use their food stamp cards to buy other people groceries in exchange for cash so that they can buy cigarettes and alcohol or other drugs. For every bad rich person their is a bad COMMON MAN. So let's be fair, if we are to judge the rich by the few bad examples, lets judge the COMMON MAN by the same standards.
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Originally Posted by hkbajwa What difference does it make to a billionaire if he spend an extra few million in taxes? Will it reduce his solvency? NO.. Will it reduce his quality of life? NO ( he may not be able to buy that private jet with the jacuzzi, but i'm sure he can settle for the cheaper version). Will it prevent his kids from having money, education and the best healthcare that money can buy? NO.. In fact the ONLY place higher taxes for the super rich will hurt is in their GREED. |
No, it also hurts the very basic concept on which this country was founded - EQUALITY. Not to mention the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. If you tax the rich too much, there actions are simple they work less to make less. Do you think that Bill Gates would have invented Microsoft if he knew that the government would take more than half of what he made for doing nothing, NO. As a result computers would probably still be the size of a room and the COMMON MAN would probably not be even able to afford one.
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Originally Posted by hkbajwa If you make millions every year, then there is no reason to whine over additional taxes.. It only marginally changes THEIR life, but it may mean the difference between LIFE AND DEATH for a poor man.
Tax cuts for the rich is not only UNETHICAL, it is downright CRIMINAL. Do you think average joe will have LESS of a reason to try to become rich because of a tax increase? NO.. if he is poor now, he doesn't care if he pay 20% or 25 % in taxes when he becomes a millionaire. He might whine about it once he is rich.. but lets face it.. HE got rich didn't he?
To assume that tax increases reduce motivation is a fallacy planted in the population by the RICH and POWERFUL.
Socialism isn't an evil dear friend. It is INEVITABLE. |
People talk about the poor as if they were a fixed group they are not. During the 1980's more people moved from the bottom 1/5 in income to the top 1/5 than ever before. Cutting everyone's taxes is ethical. Criminal is punishing those who succeed for the simple fact that they succeed.
Socialism is a fools paradise because only a fool would embrace being a slave.
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