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Originally Posted by hkbajwa  Don't discard a good principle simply because you assume ( falsely) that it cannot be implemented. It most certainly CAN. | In small quantities. Our principles are pretty good. I don't look for it to ever be perfect anywhere. Humanly, I don't think that's possible. Quote: |
Who the hell is talkin about government handouts? We are talking about people being able to go to a doctor and get healthy without having to count your nickels and dimes to see if you can afford it. Do not equate free healthcare with public handouts. A lazy bum gains NOTHIHNG from free healthcare. The ONLY PEOPLE WHO GAIN ARE THE SICK PEOPLE. And as far as i am concerned that is PERFECT TARGETING
| I think it creates hypochodriacs. Everybody should have to buy insurance, but people have come to expect the government to pay for it. It's all political. Poor people could buy health insurance if they had to, or you buy the booze and cigs. It's an option. Can't have everything. Quote: |
Well you know as well as i do that RICH people are MORE EQUAL than poor people. That's not rhetoric. Money talks, and a rich american is far more likely to receive justice, better treatment than a poor man.
| Then you need to try to get rich, or don't do criminal deeds. I think if you look at the justice system it can be unfair to the rich just because they are rich as well. Quote: |
The EQUALITY that the founding fathers referred to was not about equality in TAXES. It was equality in terms of OPPORTUNITIES and JUSTICE. Every person should have the SAME OPPORTUNITIES as every other man, and EVERY MAN should be the same in the eyes of the law.
| This sounds nice, but it doesn't take in ability. I don't see how we are all equal. That's not a whole truth. It's impossible. Quote: |
TO tax a rich man more heavily than a poor man is merely an understanding of WHO CAN AFFORD IT.
| Taxes should be the same across the board to be fair. Noone should be making judgements on what someone can afford. Totally unfair. Quote: |
Also your contention that Bill Gates wouldn't have created Microsoft if he knew he was gonna get taxed heavily is just plain ridiculous. FIne so he would have had 40 billion instead of 60 billion. SO you're saying he would have been like "fuck that dude, i aint working for a measly 40 billion. in fact i would rather sit at home living on a measly welfare cheque and food stamps".
| He had the opportunity. Quote: |
You need to stop looking at taxation as a PUNISHMENT. Dammit if you knew your tax dollars were going to ensure that you, your children and your family could have BASIC SECURITY GAURANTEED it is not a PUNISHMENT. It is a SERVICE.
| We have a pretty good military. Quote: |
I wish that mankind was generous enough to take care of its own, but it is obvious that rich people aren't good at relieving themselves of their money for the benefit of others. I'm sure everybody wants to keep everything to themselves. However as a member of society you have a civic responsibility to ensure the wellbeing of your fellow man ( isn't that what all religions preach?) Taxes ENSURE that, at a fractional cost to you. And yet you will not part with it simply because you assume that all that don't have money DESERVE to not have money?
| This is your ideology. I only need to take care of myself, and my immediate family and possessions. Nobody wants to take care of you. I guarantee it. Even your Mom and Dad may not want to. Quote: |
CUtting taxes is not ethical in the LEAST. It's just stupid.
| Why if they are too high, and the government has too much money? Quote: |
Socialism is not slavery. I can assure you that the average scandinavian has MORE REPRESENTATION in the democratic system quite simply because everybody has the same health, the same education and the same life chances as anybody else. However in America you really just gotta be rich to matter. That's not democratic.. That's just awful.
| It's not possible to have all those things equally no matter what government does for you. Quote: |
Socialism isn't slavery.. it is security and freedom.
| The only true security is a good defense. Your social programs won't mean much when the Nazi's come over the hill. |