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Originally Posted by vharlow  If this guy had applied for entry legally, he wouldn't have been there driving drunk in the first place. His illegality definitely is a factor. O'Reilly never said it was the ONLY factor. He brings up the point because localities are doing nothing about illegals. That may be just fine with you. | I realize that, but it is misleading in an attempt to galvanize support for a cause against illegal immigration. It is misleading in the sense that it applies an attribute of one illegal alien to an entire group. I mean, when a shooting occurs, they don't say, "Two people shot and killed by a black", and then take that statement and use it for an argument of deporting black people.
He never said it was the only factor but O'Reily was trying to make the argument or at least make it appear that it was the primary factor, when we know the primary factor was that the law being broken was driving under the influence.
And please don't generalize further and think that doing nothing on our borders is fine with me. Quote: |
But it's not "just fine" with most of the population. I disagree with O'Reilly regularly, and find many of his arguments with guests pointless and weak. All that aside, claiming that local governments should be doing something about illegal immigrants in their cities is definitely a sane stance. Referring to him as a "moron" which is your personal opinion I guess, is just name calling.
| I refer to him as a moron not only because he is one, but this is based on obvious empirical reality of his arguments, or at least the reasoning behind such arguments. Doing something about illegal immigrants is indeed a sane stance, but that is not what I'm complaining about in this particular instance. What's insane about O'Reily's stance is how he derived upon that stance and the misleading accounts he is giving to his audience. Quote: |
Two people were killed by an illegal alien. That illegal alien wouldn't even be here to drive under the influence were he not here illegally.
| No, two people were killed by a drunk driver. This is so retarded. Think! It's obvious; in the report of the death of these two people doesn't state the cause of death was "death by illegal alien"! It says they died from getting hit by an impaired driver. The deciding factor in the death of these two people was that someone was driving under the influence.
I'm not saying it's an illegitimate argument to argue that he broke immigration laws. I'm just saying it's completely irrational and misleading to use this particular story as a rational for an anti-immigration argument. In other words, these people didn't die directly by the violation of immigration laws but the death of these people were caused directly by the breaking of DUI laws. Its irrelevant, and the death of these two people would not be considered in the court of law if and when they determine the legal status of this individual. "If you want to achieve peace of mind and happiness, then have faith; if you want to be a disciple of truth, then search" -- Friedrich Nietzsche
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