is the dirty slut completely at fault? maybe if the dirty pig used a condom in the first place the dirty slut would not ahve a choice to make.

Birth control is the responsibility of all parties involved!

That is true, they are both completely irresponsible, I just don't see why we should continue this sensless murder because the two made a mistake.

perhaps they need to be better educated. if everybody is better educated and more resposible then the only abortions that would need to be done would be to save the mothers life or rape and incest situations (or are these also not valid reasons)

Yet you originally blamed just the dirty slut and they were very nasty posts, uncommon from you. Truth coming out in anger?

there was no anger in my posts (or there was not meant to be)

I would also like to point out that dirty sluts are not the only ones getting abortions.

for the record I don't have a problem with dirty sluts and I am only using the term because NB did.

**edit** I thought aMF said "uncommon from BOTH of you" I won't delete my post

Not everyone who has an abortion is a slut or a whore. And thank goodness for the whores, there should be more of them. Do we really need MORE unwanted people running around in this cluster-fuck of a world, I think not.

That's alright. I just thought NB's post was pretty nasty and uncharacteristic of him. I was wondering, perhaps, if his true beliefs were coming out in anger.

Because honestly, I don't know if I've come across something that offensive since Knight69....and that is a bold statement for me to make.

You loved Knight69 and you know it.


Morally, yes abortion is killing a human. As I had stated in a post a few months ago, the rights of both the mother and child must be supported...

I see abortion as necessary, unfortuantely. NB makes a good point about the whores, though. Abortion should NOT be used as birth control. It's a wasted. Use a damned pill. However, the leeway must be made for the couples that have an accident...because no child deserves to be thrown into a foster home where they don't stand much of a chance of doing any better.

I think if a couple is taking the appropriate precautions (BC, condom, etc), then a woman needn't more than a couple abortions in a year...if even that many. Perhaps there should be a limit? Hell, you mustbe doing something wrong if you're getting pregnant every few months. It's not hard to be careful.

I hate there needing to be more laws like this; but I think the abortion should be limited by more of a practical standpoint. Either the kid gets thrown into a foster home and has a small chance of not living a shit life, or he grows up in a shit life with the mother that can't support him. With government programs already being cut, why burden them more? People need to stop being swingers. It would also slow down the spread of STDs to some degree. Even though initially that doesn't sound like it makes sense; the people can't afford abortions and may resort to having shady operations performed, which puts them at risk for other diseases.

Abortion should be limited and used as a last resort; not in a c'est la vie (sp?) manner. People shouldn't need to be getting them in droves to begin with. But hell; it's their money and their lives.

Hey any of the really liberal people here, check out www.redstate.org . You'll probably get banned within a few posts or two but most of them argue very well and don't mind debating with liberals as long as you're not trolling or acting really stupid. Some of them get really biting though, so iunno. It's some good reads though. Intelligent folk over there for the most part.

I assume that when you say, "Morally, yes abortion is killing a human" that you mean because an abortion prevents a human from being born and ends the fetus's chance for life outside the mother--essentially and morally, it is killing a human. However, because nobody can ever know if an aborted fetus would have lived beyond the day of its abortion, or survived birth, or even made it to birth, we can never truthfully or honestly say with conviction that the abortion ended a life that would have been. Therefore your premise is false and your subsequent call for the "child's rights" is also incorrect because there is not, was not, and never will be a child.

I'm not sure if you took NB literally or not. I don't know if NB was specifically talking about prostitutes when he said "whores" or if he was just referring to easy women. I thought he was talking about irresponsible, perhaps "easy" women who do not take the necessary precautions to protect themselves from pregagnancy. Both NB's post and yours have a convienient lack of responsibility or culpability from the other sex. Niether post even remotely suggests fault on the male's side and niether post calls for responsibility from the male in the decision to have an abortion. You condemn "whores" and tell them to use "the damned pill" and say the government should prevent abortions used as birth control. But then, in a very ballsy move if I say so myself, you go on to say that responsible couples who have "accidents" must be given leeway because children do not deserve to be thrown in foster homes. Well, if you don't let the "whores" get abortions, where do you think the children are going?...Foster homes

Yes, I was getting pissed because my now-ex girlfriend got one because her ex boyfriend got her pregnant before they started going out and she ofund out after we already had (otherwise I would have gotten rid of her in short order). But yeah I'm not getting into everything else that happened right now. My point is there should be a limited scope to abortions. Your idea that one never knows whether a baby will be born frmo a pregnancy, terminating it guaruntees that it does not. I'm not a person who wants an outright ban for moral reasons. The more I think about it (and this may come off as callous and a change of view, because I was thinking about it over the course of the day) I don't really care that much, since it is a woman's choice. I've stated in the past that I'm fine with early terminations, because in my opinion, yes it is a ball of cells. However, within 2 months (maybe less?) nerves have started to form along with other tissues. Before that point, do whatever you want.

And yes I realized when I was typing earlier about the whores that don't get abortions. I just kind of ignored that, which I probably should not have. I'd rather see the number of abortions reduced than outlawed, and to actually do that you have to educate people more so that they're not as willing to go to and fro banging everything in sight. Put a limit on the number of abortions a person can have in a given year, and if she goes and keeps having sex irresponsibly, don't let her get rid of the kid. Chances are she'll give brith in a hospital. Get data on both the mother and child. If she decides to later on abandon the child; she will be imprisoned for a substantial amount of time unless she is willing to care for the life she gave birth to and tried to dump on the government.

There really is no truly effective solution to it, I think...but I despise how people are using abortion as an escape out of parenthood so much. I'm close to thinking that if people are going to be so stupid and spread STDs everywhere, then it's their fault and they should be punished. Abortion in and of itself isn't immoral, but it depends on how one uses it. If some chick is getting pregnant and spreading STDs (along with guys too), I'm really close to saying we should quarintine them all and isolate them on some island.

This is sort of a rant so everything is not quite fine-tuned, and I'm sure you'll tear open the holes, which I'll try to patch up as you come across them And if I seem really pissed about the STD thing, it's mostly cuz I'm worried about contracting one even WITH precautions. The ex has one and I got tested and thank god I didn't get it cuz it was from some dude she fucked after me