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Old 07-02-2007, 11:12 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Does the woman not have control over her body when she consents to receiving the sperm? Using your same argument, the woman can prevent any pregnancy she desires.

Preventing pregnancy is the responsibility of both parties. Once the woman has become pregnant is where the issue begins. Once the woman is pregnant she can choose to abort or go through with the pregnancy. Why does the man not have a decision on terminating or proceeding with the pregnancy? Because no one wants to have domain over a womans body except for the individual woman. Fine. So we have established that men should not be able to FORCE women to carry a child. But once the woman makes that decision, she should be the only person responsible for the decision. Understanding that we should not FORCE men to support a baby they didn't want. To do anything less provides women with legal rights over a mans life that she shouldn't be entitled to. The woman is the person who made the decision to go through with the pregnancy and thus she is the one who should support the child without the man because he didn't get a choice about the pregnancy because the womans body is her own.

Do we see the double standard yet?
Look at it this way...

The woman gets an extra choice because she's the one who's body has to take the risks.

Don't like it? Figure out a way for a man to get pregnant.
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Old 07-02-2007, 11:13 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Look at it this way...

The woman gets an extra choice because she's the one who's body has to take the risks.

Don't like it? Figure out a way for a man to get pregnant.
Heck, I'm trying to figure that one out myself at the moment. Or at least, figure out a way hubby can deliver for me.

Where's the darn stork when you need it?
Old 07-02-2007, 11:14 AM   #23 (permalink)
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And a man has to live through the 18 years of forced support even if he doesn't want the child.

To require a woman to carry a child to term if the man wants the baby is no less reasonable than requiring a man to support the child for 18 years regardless if he wanted it or not.
Tell me, how is it so easy for a man to walk away from his children?
Old 07-02-2007, 11:19 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Pregnancy is not as dangerous as the medical establishment might like us to believe,
Really? And exactly how many times have you been pregnant?

And care to ask Alicorn just how dangerous pregnancy is?
Old 07-02-2007, 11:20 AM   #25 (permalink)
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And a man has to live through the 18 years of forced support even if he doesn't want the child.

To require a woman to carry a child to term if the man wants the baby is no less reasonable than requiring a man to support the child for 18 years regardless if he wanted it or not.
It amazes me how you men can refer to a child as a 'financial burden'.

Is that all a child is to you? How can you create something so spectacular, then have absolutely no feelings for it?

It boggles my mind.
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Really? And exactly how many times have you been pregnant?

And care to ask Alicorn just how dangerous pregnancy is?
I thought about responding to his comment, but decided not to. Simply because his words were those of someone that doesn't have the first clue of how dangerous pregnancy is.

Yes, there's been alot of medical advancements in the field of prenatal care...But it hasn't reduced the risk as much as the pro-life side would like you to believe it does.
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Now we've got it going. Apparently I've touched some chords with people through my advocacy. I am not advocating that men abandon responsibility. I'm advocating that the responsibility be equal. If we force a man to be responsible to provide financial support to a child, why is it improper to force a woman to provide biological support for 9 months? Why should a woman get to make that decision for a man without his input?

Like I said. It took two people to create the baby, it should take two to abort. Any other arrangement allows one person sovereignty over life beyond their own.

If a mans decision to have a child stops at the exchange of fluids, why doesn't the womans? If a woman can make the decision to abort a baby, why can't the father save it? The power should be balanced. We are talking about rare cases here.
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I'm advocating that the responsibility be equal.
When the risks are equal, then the choices allowed can be equal, because you seriously seem to be forgetting the risks a woman takes when she becomes pregnant.

Alicorn is currently pregnant, at possible risk of death.

My last two pregnancies gave me 100% chance of having a life-threatening disease for the rest of my life (diabetes).

When men have to also take those kinds of risks, then their choices can also be expanded.
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When it's an issue of life and death, it's a medical issue, not one of responsibility. If a woman has a choice, so should a man. Both are guilty but in the current system the only one who literally pays is the man.

I personally am opposed to abortion (unless medically necessary) and think that men should step up and take care of the child. I also think that women who choose to abort due to lack of responsibility are just as bad as men who abandon their children.

We like to vilify the men and hold them accountable, but where is the womans accountability? This is basically a womans infringement of mens rights. I support equal rights not special rights.
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I don't think men should be getting abortions at all.
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