Defending the Truth

I can go along with this only to a point.

As you said, KOS, would it be nice if the woman had someone to talk it through with before making a decision? Sure, absolutely.

But requiring it? Definitely over the line.
It is entirely ill-conceived (pardon the pun).
It is naive at best, and misogynistic at worst.

There is no way to actually enforce this piece of legislation, in the unlikely event that it passes. In cases where the woman does not inform the man, for whatever reason, then what?

Does she get an 'anti-courtesy fine' or something?
Can he sue her for lack of courtesy?

Unfortunately, as we have seen all-too-clearly, politicians pandering to the ignorant works REALLY well as a vote-capturing mechanism.

Way better than actually having good, sound policies and positions.

I debated a guy who lives just a few miles from me about this topic, when it was the issue of the day. I asked him to tell me under what circumstances a partial birth abortion is done. He said, any time the mother wants it.

So then I explained under which very rare circumstances the procedure is used, and why... with links. He refused to believe me, saying it was just an abortionist trick.

I couldn't tell if he was suffering from overwhelming disinformation from his church (which he mentioned a LOT), or willful ignorance. In any case, he has a lot of company out there, apparently.

I'm convinced that one of the main reasons John Kerry lost in 2004 is because nothing he said could fit on a bumper sticker.

Average Americans lately, unfortunately, seem to want a president as stupid as they are.

And unfortunately, they got one.

And I don't know anyone who has had one, or anyone who KNOWS anyone who has had one.

If anyone DOES know of an actual case of one (not from the newspapers, but from living your life), please simply say so. No need for any other details.

Oh yes, we see that same old tired ploy. Lose an election and call the winner dumb or stupid, and by extension call the electorate the same.

But if the winner is stupid what does that make the loser????? In 1994, Dubya beat an incumbent governor to win election. One of the democratic parties golden girls, who had given the key note speech at the Democratic Convention in 1988. Not only did he win he beat her soundly winning 53% of the vote. In 1998 he garnered 68% of the vote against a challenger who could not even get support of the major Democratic players in the state.
Becoming the first governor in the history of the state to win back-to-back terms.

In 2000, Dubya won election against a sitting Vice President. And one reelection in 2004.

Kerry's problem was a simple one......one that Democrats have failed to learn from. The sign of a good leader is a very simple one, to be a good leader all one needs to do is to be able to make a decision, and then carry through on the decision. The Flip-Flopping of Kerry is what led to his downfall. The public saw a leader who could not make a decision and stick to it. If you will, a beaucrat who lived by passing the buck.

A decision a leader makes can be right or wrong, however, a true leader will take and accept responsibility, not trying to pass the buck.

So keep thinking its about the bumperstickers and the stupidity of the electorate. Don't realize the true key point. We saw it with Reagan, Bush Sr forget it, and Bush Jr repeated what Reagan had done and in turn saw reelection.

dmk

LOL, won? yeah right

OK, this is off topic, but I'll respond briefly.

That flawed oversimplification would look GREAT on a bumper sticker, stuck on the back of a huge SUV.

I'm sure about 28% of the country believes that.
I don't.

I agree. But I would add that a true leader, and in fact ANY reasonable person, upon realizing he has made a wrong decision, will admit being wrong (at least to himself), try to figure out what went wrong and why, seek additional information and counsel as needed, and then make a new decision (changing course if needed) to right the ship going forward.

This is not called Flip-Flopping, it's called Dealing With Reality.

Bush, when asked during the debates about the worst mistake he has made as president, was quoted as saying he couldn't think of any mistakes he has made.

Can ANYONE, let alone the president of the country, go four years without making a mistake? Of course not. So this is either a lie, or a public admission of self-delusion. But in either case, it is certainly not good leadership.

Thanks for the diversion.
Now, let's get back to the Ohio abortion topic.