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Old 08-26-2007, 09:19 PM   #501 (permalink)
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Oh. Sorry about that. I read that the wrong way.
My posts about women not needing medical care were based on the transplantation and other analogies that were lobbied. A pregnant women is gonna have that baby whether she has medical care or not. All other mentioned procedures require a doctor including an abortion. That is the context I meant. No pregnant woman is forced to go to the doctor. Just as no person is forced into any other medical procedure. Abortions are never forced, not even to save a life.

The gravity as it relates to me personally wouldn't register if she got hit by a truck. A sarcastic statement I know. But true. Abortion is killing. It doesn't have to effect "me" for that to be the case. I would hope that the imaginary guy in the truck that hit her is charged with two felonies instead of one if it was his fault.
I couldn't care less if a guy speeds on an empty highway, that doesn't mean they should abolish the speed limit. That statement doesn't really advance the debate.

I'm not proposing abstinence, I don't care about people having sex. But if you are killing just so you can continue to have sex, that's wrong. Pregnancy is an outcome of any sex, so if you are THAT afraid of pregnancy, you better make sure you are ready for a potential pregnancy.
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I never said it was "me" that they had to justify anything. We are here to exchange opinions. Mine is that an abortion is murder/homicide/killing. There is no way that can be minimized to "choice" IMHO.

When you are wanting to limit abortion to those cases of which YOU approve, you are asking women to justify their reasons to you.
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I'm not proposing abstinence, I don't care about people having sex. But if you are killing just so you can continue to have sex, that's wrong. Pregnancy is an outcome of any sex, so if you are THAT afraid of pregnancy, you better make sure you are ready for a potential pregnancy.
Women don't abort so that they can continue to have sex. Pregnant women can have sex. Women abort for a variety of reasons, none of which, under our Constitution, are anyones business but theirs.

I know quite a few women who do not want to have a child right now, and are prepared for a potential pregnancy. They either have a savings account with enough in it to pay for an abortion, or a credit card set aside for just that.
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My doctor is recommending c-section for me as well, due to the pregnancy being high risk and also my being small, like your wife...Although I'd personally rather have my babies naturally. Just have to play it by ear, so to speak. Alot depends on the size of the babies, and what difficulties arise the closer we get to the due date.

The one thing that worries me about the c-section is that they raise the risks for recovery, as well as prolonging the recovery time after delivery. And after already a month of bedrest, with having nearly 3 more months of it to go through? I really don't want to spend more time recovering instead of getting back to my life and enjoying spoiling our babies.

And yep, we have that $500 deductable with my portion of our insurance plan as well, which was exceeded early in the year.
Somehow, I understand why your doctor feels that way, Ali. Given what you have gone through, I can understand that. You've got a tough 3-4 months ahead of you.

Hopefully, the babies will be a healthy duo.
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When you are wanting to limit abortion to those cases of which YOU approve, you are asking women to justify their reasons to you.
The "reasons" I approve of are out of the woman's control. There should be no such thing as a totally "voluntary" abortion of convenience. Rape or health reasons aren't in the woman's hands. Getting pregnant in the first place is. After that, the life of the baby outweighs "convenience" and "choice".
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Women don't abort so that they can continue to have sex. Pregnant women can have sex. Women abort for a variety of reasons, none of which, under our Constitution, are anyones business but theirs.

A convenience or contraceptive abortion pretty much is so that the woman can continue to have careless sex. That's how she got pregnant in the first place. Pregnancy isn't a mystery.

I know quite a few women who do not want to have a child right now, and are prepared for a potential pregnancy. They either have a savings account with enough in it to pay for an abortion, or a credit card set aside for just that.
I know no woman that would have an abortion. Maybe it's a regional thing or something. But between people you "know" and your own anecdotes...Whew....I have heard of people that knew someone who had an abortion, but I don't know anyone personally that has ever had one. Thankfully. Also thankfully.
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Somehow, I understand why your doctor feels that way, Ali. Given what you have gone through, I can understand that. You've got a tough 3-4 months ahead of you.

Hopefully, the babies will be a healthy duo.
I second that. I wish you the best.
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The "reasons" I approve of are out of the woman's control. There should be no such thing as a totally "voluntary" abortion of convenience. Rape or health reasons aren't in the woman's hands. Getting pregnant in the first place is. After that, the life of the baby outweighs "convenience" and "choice".

How does an embryo concieved via rape outweigh the life of an embryo concieved via consentual sex?

Aren't they the same?
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How does an embryo concieved via rape outweigh the life of an embryo concieved via consentual sex?

Aren't they the same?
Studies show that women forced to carry out a baby concieved this way have a higher rate of suicide. For that reason I think if she wants an abortion in this case, it should be allowed.

This is consistent with allowing abortion if the mother is at risk.
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The "reasons" I approve of are out of the woman's control. There should be no such thing as a totally "voluntary" abortion of convenience. Rape or health reasons aren't in the woman's hands. Getting pregnant in the first place is. After that, the life of the baby outweighs "convenience" and "choice".

Then why doesn't the life of one of her born children outweigh 'convenience and choice'?
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