Ohio may give fathers a say in abortion decision - Page 7

garysher · 08-06-2007, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dabateman

Then arguing semantics only when it fits you it is... I figured.

That's not what I said.

OKgrannie · 08-07-2007, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by garysher

Keeping the news about a baby secret from its father isn't the honourable way to go for any of the parties concerned.

It's practical if the "father" is going to go ballistic. It's also merciful if the "father" is going go into depression from the decision.

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It's a pretty torturous twist of logic to try and pretend that a fetus isn't really a baby

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A fetus isn't really a baby.

fxashun · 08-07-2007, 08:45 AM

A fetus IS a baby, unless you are wanting an abortion. Then you HAVE to think of it as less than a real living thing or you'll start to feel guilty.

A mother who miscarries her wanted fetus mourns just as she would had she lost a baby.

Catus Felidae · 08-07-2007, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by garysher

I doubt whether a man's baby is considered the private affair of the mother - it certainly isn't after the child is born!

After it's born, no. Before, yes.

You are still trying to pretend that the father isn't involved in the conception and the future life of his baby.

I have never tried to pretend that the man isn't involved in the conception. To do so would be stupid. As for the 'future life of his baby', How can he be involved in that when it hasn't happened yet?

If the woman has the right to abort the father's baby without his consent then the converse should also be true - the man should be able to denounce any financial obligations for a child he wanted to have aborted.

The 'converse' of a woman aborting without the fathers consent, would be the father aborting without the womans consent.

You lack a clear understanding of the laws surrounding child support. Support is the right of the child. The father cannot deny a child its rights based on the actions of a third party.

What a horrible world we live in

And you're just trying to make it worse.

Catus Felidae · 08-07-2007, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by fxashun

A fetus IS a baby, unless you are wanting an abortion. Then you HAVE to think of it as less than a real living thing or you'll start to feel guilty.

A mother who miscarries her wanted fetus mourns just as she would had she lost a baby.

I lost three wanted feti before giving birth to two healthy children. I can tell you for a fact that the actual loss of those first three was no where near as painful or traumatic as even the threatened loss of one of my born children.

garysher · 08-07-2007, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by OKgrannie

It's practical if the "father" is going to go ballistic. It's also merciful if the "father" is going go into depression from the decision.

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What else do you prefer to hide just because you fear the consequences??

Ever heard the saying about "grasping the nettle"?

If a guy is man enough to impregnate a woman then he should be man enough to deal with the consequences, and not run away like a flake.

A fetus isn't really a baby.

Actually it is a real baby in its early stages, inside a womb.

I thought your lot were fixated by logic and science??

garysher · 08-07-2007, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Catus Felidae

I lost three wanted feti before giving birth to two healthy children. I can tell you for a fact that the actual loss of those first three was no where near as painful or traumatic as even the threatened loss of one of my born children.

That's very sad, but it doesn't alter the fact that a fetus is still a baby inside a womb.

pensacola_niceman · 08-07-2007, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by garysher

That's very sad, but it doesn't alter the fact that a fetus is still a baby inside a womb.

Yes, and everytime you masterbate, you kill thousands of potential children.

OKgrannie · 08-07-2007, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by garysher

What else do you prefer to hide just because you fear the consequences??

Sigh, for centuries women have had to sugar coat things with which men are not able to deal. That practice is not likely to end soon.

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Ever heard the saying about "grasping the nettle"?

No, but sounds very foolish indeed.

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If a guy is man enough to impregnate a woman then he should be man enough to deal with the consequences, and not run away like a flake

SHOULD? If he is man enough to deal with the consequences, then he is man enough to deal without whining with the fact that abortion is a woman's choice.

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Actually it is a real baby in its early stages, inside a womb.

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I thought your lot were fixated by logic and science??

There are a lot of differences between a zef and a baby. The differences are both logical and scientific.

garysher · 08-07-2007, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by OKgrannie

Sigh, for centuries women have had to sugar coat things with which men are not able to deal. That practice is not likely to end soon.

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If a misogynist is a man who hates women, what do you call a woman who hates men??

Your condescension is duly noted!

No, but sounds very foolish indeed.

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Actually the lesson about grasping nettles isn't foolish at all. It's much better to face up to and confront difficult situations instead of hiding under a rock and hoping they go away

SHOULD? If he is man enough to deal with the consequences, then he is man enough to deal without whining with the fact that abortion is a woman's choice.

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Did you figure out what the opposite of misogynist is yet??

There are a lot of differences between a zef and a baby. The differences are both logical and scientific.

There are a lot of differences between a teenager and a geriatric, but they are both people.

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