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Old 09-12-2007, 04:26 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Science agrees that conception is only a continuation of human life, since eggs and sperm are human and alive, their joining does not create NEW life, but merely changes the old life. So why don't you weep for every egg and sperm that doesn't continue life?
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ROFLMAO!!!

Care to back that up with fact?
What's funny is that you can't back your ideas up with fact. Not even from a pro-choice website. It gets into some philosophical rationalization. "Can't prove a negative" because the negative is empty and wrong.
Old 09-12-2007, 04:29 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Really?

So, when does the human life of an identical twin begin?

Evidently, it can't be at fertilization...since an identical twin doesn't exist at fertilization.


("Conception" really isn't an accurate nor a medical/biological term. A better term to use in this discussion is "fertilization.")
Yes it does. Fertilization still starts the ball rolling. No fertilization, no twins or anything.
This is a dodge. And really it's irrelevant, if there's material to abort, there's life. So the exact moment is academic.
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Science agrees that conception is only a continuation of human life, since eggs and sperm are human and alive, their joining does not create NEW life, but merely changes the old life. So why don't you weep for every egg and sperm that doesn't continue life?
For the same reason the body expels an unfertilized egg and the male makes millions of sperm, some expelled during sleep.
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What's funny is that you can't back your ideas up with fact. Not even from a pro-choice website. It gets into some philosophical rationalization. "Can't prove a negative" because the negative is empty and wrong.
Perhaps, then, you might be able to explain how the human life of a non-existing identical twin begins at fertilization?
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Yes it does. Fertilization still starts the ball rolling. No fertilization, no twins or anything.
This is a dodge. And really it's irrelevant, if there's material to abort, there's life. So the exact moment is academic.
Well, a simple sentence from you saying, "I am apparently wrong about my opinion that human life begins at fertilization" would suffice.
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Perhaps, then, you might be able to explain how the human life of a non-existing identical twin begins at fertilization?
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A single cell, generally speaking, exists at fertilization.

Evidently, if an identical twin doesn't exist at fertilization since there is only a single cell at fertilization, then an identical twin's human life doesn't begin at fertilization.

Therefore, there is no certainty that human life begins at fertilization.
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Perhaps, then, you might be able to explain how the human life of a non-existing identical twin begins at fertilization?
For the same reason writing begins when the pencil writes a word. You can't communicate by just holding a pen and having blank paper.
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Well, a simple sentence from you saying, "I am apparently wrong about my opinion that human life begins at fertilization" would suffice.
Why? When I'm not wrong.
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