Don't you find it pathetic that she is such a zealot, but she doesn't even understand the religion she is so zealous about?

If I never heard of Jesus Christ or any religion for that matter, my view would be the same. The slaughter of millions of people would turn my stomach no matter what. And there are THOUSANDS of abortions that are done well passed the embryo stage, that DO in fact feel pain. Especialy PB abortions. Stop thinking you live in a world were every abortion is done in the first 3 weeks. It isnt, not by a LONG shot. BTW I know pleanty of people who were born in undesirable conditions that are more than thankful for life today. Including myself.

Fetuses aren't "people." They're fetuses.


Women still have a right to have an abortion if they don't want to be pregnant. We own our bodies and all decisions regarding the use of our bodies.


"Partial birth abortion" is a misnomer. It's a 3rd trimester abortion. "Partial birth" makes it sound like it's lodged in the birth canal on it's way out. That's not the case.

No, but 88% have their abortions within the first 12 weeks and 98.8% within the first 20. None of those are even close to being classified as a "late-term abortion." Statistics show women make their decisions early.

The remaining 1.2% of that statistic (Guttmacher Institute) include abortions of medical necessity.


Good for you. Seriously. However, that doesn't mean that women should be forced to gestate and give birth against their will. Women aren't ambulatory incubators.

So your saying the fetus stage isnt just another stage of human life? Does science confirm this??
No you dont. You cant cut yourself on purpose, you'd end up in a mental ward. You cant attempt to end your own life, you'd end up in jail, or a mental ward (if you werent able to follow through) Nor can you have a doctor do either for you.
There are cases were the child lived through it and starved to death 24 hrs later. Besides, are you trying to tell me the child feels no pain through it? Which was my point to begin with.
Oh now I feel better about it.


Women shouldnt be having unprotected sex, and if they do, like all other decisions in life, they should be held accountable.

I wouldn't say entirely, but I believe a sizeable portion of social conservatives feel that way. To them, women have become far too uppity and independent for their liking.

Others really believe that a 12-week-old lump of biomass is equivalent to a living, breathing human being. What they fail to factor into the equation is that attached to that embryo/fetus is a real live woman who may not want to be pregnant. She has a right to say whether or not an organism may feed off her bodily resources for nine months. Our bodies aren't wards of the courts.

I think that's part of it, too. Overall, it's about people trying to impose their personal beliefs on others who feel differently.


It's narrow-mindedness combined with a holier-than-thou attitude that makes some feel that their way is the only way.....and that it should be imposed on others. It's more than a little tiresome.

Yawn.

The law confirms this. Legal life begins at birth.

My words were, "We own our bodies and all decisions regarding the use of our bodies." By that I meant we have a right to medical decisions regarding our bodies, not the right to cut ourselves. Good grief. Abortion is a private decision to be made between a woman and her doctor. That was my point.

In the rare case where a child somehow survives and abortion, it shouldn't be allowed to starve. That's horrible. If the woman were there for an abortion, the child would become a ward of the state and kept alive on the taxpayer's dime. That should not be happening. Got any links to those cases? Was it sheer incompetence by the doctor? Was it a legal abortion being performed? I'm not doubting you here - just curious.

I would think you would. If it's late-term abortions that particularly concern you, this statistic shows that they rarely occur except for cases of medical necessity.

You do approve of medically necessary abortions? Or no?

What about the men? Should they be free to knock up everyone in sight and the onus for "responsibility" should fall on the gals? Also, no birth control is 100% - mistakes happen, women forget to take their pill, etc.

Why, in your opinion, is "being held accountable" only accomplished by forcing women to bear children they don't want, can't afford, and have no desire to care for? That "solution" sounds to me like it just adds to the problem.

Aren't there enough unwanted children in the world already? Wouldn't we all be better off trying to find ways to limit the need for abortion (cheaper and more readily available birth control, the "morning after" pill made over-the-counter, education, etc) instead of passing legislation that essentially makes women's wombs wards of the courts?

Garysher, I don't know why you continue to chase me around the forum responding to my posts. What you see above is all that I can see. Does the phrase "wasting your time" mean anything to you?

Practically every post I make, I see you have posted right behind me. What ails you? I've made it clear I don't want to discuss these issues with you. Give it up, will you?