Originally Posted by OKgrannie

Are you suggesting that because the number of rape victims abortion is small compared to the overall number, it is insignificant and therefore OK to force the woman to continue the pregnancy? If so, you have a warped sense of justice. Taxpayer money is for the benefit of the entire population and spending it to rear unwanted children that could have been aborted instead is wasteful in the extreme.

A Pitiless Plan A: Denying Plan B Emergency Contraception to Victims of Rape
"Nationally, over 300,000 forcible rapes are reported each year. Twenty-five thousand of these women will become pregnant. If these victims have timely access to Plan B emergency contraception, an estimated 22,000 pregnancies—almost 90 percent—could be prevented."

No, that's not what I'm "suggesting". Obviously you didn't read what I typed. My sentence where I clearly state what you falsely claim I am "suggesting".

"If that woman's pregnancy threatens her life or is the result of such [rape] things, she should be able to have an abortion."

If I might "suggest" something though, it is for you to attend reading comprehension classes. You seem to have issues with that.

We are not talking about forcing women to have abortions. We are talking about allowing them to have the choice, a choice they would normally have had if the taxpayers had not imprisoned them.

And where have any of my posts stated otherwise? I only said that taxpayers should no more pay any costs associated with an abortion than a boob job. Public money should not be used for murder for "convenience".

Now they have no choice about giving birth and no choice about giving up their resulting children. Are you planning on using prisons as a breeding farm to produce babies for those wanting to adopt?

Originally Posted by knot_e_lady

That's the thing.

They are not. It says in the article that just as always, the woman has to come up with the money.

Originally Posted by OKgrannie

We are not talking about forcing women to have abortions. We are talking about allowing them to have the choice, a choice they would normally have had if the taxpayers had not imprisoned them. Now they have no choice about giving birth and no choice about giving up their resulting children. Are you planning on using prisons as a breeding farm to produce babies for those wanting to adopt?

Originally Posted by knot_e_lady

That's what I was thinking!!!

What was that movie about the future where women are forced to bear children for wealthy couples? That's what this is sounding like...

Originally Posted by fxashun

My sentence where I clearly state what you falsely claim I am "suggesting".

Originally Posted by OKgrannie

You write THIS, and then suggest I take reading comprehension classes????

Yes. I'll readily abmit my writing sucks. Just like your reading.

Once again, abortion is neither murder nor convenient.

I'm sorry, is feticide better? And again that reading comprehension disorder shows through. I didn't say it was convenient. I said it was a "for convenience". There's a difference.

Making one bad choice does not mean you never get to make another choice. I think we've established that you have no credibility in judging "valid reason" for abortion, and it is arrogant of you to believe you do when you have no experience in the matter.

Where did we establish this? Especially as it relates to this subject. Here we are talking about incarcerated women who have obviously already made at least one bad choice. AND they are pregnant. As I said, if they have the cash, let em abort. But make em pay for every cent that it takes to do it. As for my experience, I didn't think there was a test required to post here. I'm just giving my opinion.

If you are going to force women in prison to incubate against their will and remove the babies from their custody, it's a breeding farm. The method of conception is immaterial.

Originally Posted by OKgrannie

If you are going to force women in prison to incubate against their will and remove the babies from their custody, it's a breeding farm. The method of conception is immaterial.

Originally Posted by OKgrannie

Power-hungry bureaucrats want to force imprisoned women to bear children, then take the children from them because they are inadequate parents. Hello? Any thinking people there?

http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2...-womens-rights

"The case arose when a young woman beginning a four-year sentence in Missouri was told she could not have an abortion. This represented a change in policy for the prison; in the past, women who could come up with the money were taken to a clinic for abortion care. Then in 2005, with a new anti-choice governor in office, the prison administration and the Department of Corrections reversed course, adopting a policy that categorically denies women access to abortion....
For more than twenty years, courts have ruled that incarcerated women retain their abortion rights, and yet for all those twenty years, jails and prisons have continued to violate those rights. Across the country, women have been told by sheriffs to get a judge’s permission, something that takes time, money, and the services of a lawyer. Women are routinely told that they must pay not only for the abortion, but for the costs of employees’ time and of transportation, down to turnpike tolls, even though people in prison have a constitutional right to medical care. In many cases, these requirements are unwritten and ad-hoc, reflecting the whim of local officials. From California to New York, from Louisiana to Pennsylvania, women have wound up carrying pregnancies to term because jail officials stood in their way until it was too late to have an abortion – or until they gave up."

Originally Posted by Rod

it is a shame that these women are pregnant when they are locked up for committing crimes. The fact is though on a whole they are guilty of crimes and they suffer the consquences of their crimes.

One suffers a certain amount of personal freedom rights when they commit crimes.

If they truly wanted abortions why didn't they get them before they were locked up?

Should they be warned prior to committing the crimes, "If you are pregnant and are prosecuted you cannot depend on the state to provide your abortion." Maybe somebody should print some warning labels. "Caution the state won't allow abortions if you are a pregnant and jailed for criminal activity."